Holden the meaning

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Holdens aren't that great are they

[Flea]

don't know, dont have them in the US yet (well soon with the pontiac GTO rebadge .. but not how much of it is still considered Holden parts)

[pro_am]

FLEA:
Please explain, are you saying that this car company is going to be in the us with a GTO rip off?
Thanks
Jake

[canuck_cruizer]

what's Holden??

[Savage Messiah]

GTO is based on Holden Monaro

[mr_tw]

Holden is the Austrailian version of what we know as GM (as i understand it) the GTO is one of the Austrailian cars that has had a slight refreshining and has been badged as a new pontiac Pony car for North American markets

[Sam567]

Originally Posted by mr_tw

Holden is the Austrailian version of what we know as GM (as i understand it) the GTO is one of the Austrailian cars that has had a slight refreshining and has been badged as a new pontiac Pony car for North American markets

Youve all got it wrong holden was its own car company up until recently when they were bought out by GMC now they still make cars in australia and are very popular they dominate the market over here and GMC are trying to take them over seas yet they still havent taken off so GMC is trying to rebadge the monaro as a pontiac GTO, the monaro was recently re-realesed after the original monaro back in the seventys basicly the same as what ford did with the GT

Holden is an awesome car brand and should be recognised as one even though they no longer make there own engines and barely make any of there cars in australia,"all thanks to some dumbass GMC executive".

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[Sam567]

V-6's are made based on the buick design and the V-8's are just chevy big block 308's just put in holdens

[TRD2000]

wrong again....

holden and GM "merged" in Australia a LONG time ago, not recently.

recently Holden started exporting their cars, the commodore actually sold quite well over seas with the exception of the US where GM said they would not sell it. the mmonaro is essentially a 2 door commodore variant, the GTO is a monaro with different spoilers and badging, oh and the steering on the left. It only comes with a V8.

the V-6 is the ecotec buick until later this year when the Isuzu "global" v-6 will take over. the V-8's are Chevy LS1's which are tuned/de-tuned for around 255 to 300KW (340 - 400hp) depending on variant. manual gears are through a BW T5 or a Getrag 6spd (could have gone to T6 not sure) not bad for a family car huh?

the v-6 will also be used ina range of other cars by GM worldwide, including Alfa and Saab.

REALLY the commodore should have been sold in the states in the place of the chevy lumina (which it was badged as in the middle east) because the chassis is superior and front rear is just better for a car that size!

basically Ford are just starting to catch up again with the new Falcon BA.

FORD
Found On Rubbish Dumps
Fucked On Race Day

in Australia you are either a Ford Man or you're a Holden Man. Don't judge the cars by what's said in here.

[KustmAce]

Originally Posted by Sam567

Youve all got it wrong holden was its own car company up until recently when they were bought out by GMC now they still make cars in australia and are very popular they dominate the market over here and GMC are trying to take them over seas yet they still havent taken off so GMC is trying to rebadge the monaro as a pontiac GTO, the monaro was recently re-realesed after the original monaro back in the seventys basicly the same as what ford did with the GT

Holden is an awesome car brand and should be recognised as one even though they no longer make there own engines and barely make any of there cars in australia,"all thanks to some dumbass GMC executive".

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GMC makes trucks.

GM owns Holden.

[conlad]

whoops, double

[conlad]

lmfao Sam567..

Holden's haven't made their own engines in over 15 years. They are fuckin golf carts and Ford Australia dominate the market in AUSTRALIA.. For you americans notice there is only 1 "i" in Australia.

As for Ford (Australia) most to all parts are made in Australia.. With a huge production line in Adelaide, SA.

Also, TRD2000.. I would also like to point out Ford came 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the V8 Supercars, either way we have better cars and drivers.

I've never heard of "Found on rubbish dumps" incase u didn't know, it doesn't make sense.. Something can't be found on a rubbish dump it can be found IN a rubbish dump though. Autistic holden fan's can't even come up with insults that make sense :P. Oh well, nothing out of the ordinary.

Yours, loyal Ford supporter.

The only reason i would ever own a Holden, would be to fuckin crash the thing.

[TRD2000]

actually conlad your wrong. Holden DO manufacture their own engines, along with a LOT of engines for export. in 2004 holden manufactured 257,000 engines, 147,000 for export. many of the export engines are used overseas in Saab, Alpha Romeo, Vaxhal.

compare this to the 167,000 vehicles manufactured by holden australia (SOME of which have imported engines) and it is clear that Holden are primarily an engine building company.

"Commodore is exported to the Middle Eastern markets of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Oman, Syria, Lebanon, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait and Iraq and to South Africa, New Zealand, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Fiji, Brunei and Brazil. Statesman/Caprice models are exported to Middle East regions and New Zealand and shipments to South Korea begin early in 2005. Monaro is exported to the United States, Middle East regions, the United Kingdom and New Zealand. Ute models are exported to South Africa and New Zealand, where the Holden Adventra, Crewman, Cross 8 and One Tonner are also sold."
holden website.

"In 2002, Ford sold 109,194 vehicles for an overall market share of 13.2 per cent. Ford was ranked third in the passenger vehicle market with sales of 73,218 representing 13.6 per cent of the market. Ford exports the Falcon to New Zealand and South Africa, and various right-hand-drive Asian markets"
ford website

"Toyota was Australia's top selling brand in 2005, recording 202,817 sales, followed by Holden and Ford.

The three carmakers snared 51.2 per cent of overall sales.

The Toyota Corolla was the country's top selling small car, while the Holden Commodore remained the largest selling individual model."
The Australian

and pay attention to the fact that you dug up a 2 year old thread and it might make sense that race results are wrong. HOWEVER isn't the standing for bathurst something like 24 to holden and 14 to ford? and in the history of V8 supercars there have been 7 seasons to holden and 5 to ford.

So, holden build engines. Holden sell more cars in australia than ford. Holden export to more markets. Holden have a better race history in V8 supercars AND bathurst. The Commodore is STILL more popular than the falcon. good point about crashing them though... the amount of time put into crashing holdens at the holden-monash university crash lab and the customer care shown by ford with vehicles like the pinto, I'd rather be in a holden in an accident too!

before making random comments get your facts straight.

[conlad]

That's not what i heard.. But then again i didn't look at all the statistics.

If you show me a picture (unedited) with a holden in the middle east i will say no more. But that's where they deserve to be, with the filthy Arabs and muslims. I wouldn't want Ford Australia's model's to be exported. I want them to stay here. Where they belong, where they are loved.

And i haven't heard or seen any proof of Holden (despite looking) building there own engines in over 15 years.

You only read the statistics for 2005, that doesn't mean they have sold more cars than Ford.

Yes, there is something like 24 Holdens and 14 Fords... And with almost a 2:1 ration we came 1st, 2nd and 3rd. How do you like that?

Bathurst is part of the V8 Supercars.

Trust me i'd never get in a Holden. Put a brick on the accelerater and watch the foreign engine, no-thought-put-into chassis and all round useless fucking "car" and watch it crash.. It would be spectacular, the view would be worth a million words.

The Pinto was 40 odd years ago. It was designed and produced in the USA. If i didn't mention before (American Fords suck my dong). Let it go. What the fuckin bong smoking american hippy's did 40 years ago. It doesn't matter now.

Ford has it's fair share of top selling cars whether it was last year or the year before or any time in the past. They didn't do aswell in 2005..

Fuck it, i don't care if i brought up a 2 year old thread, that's irrelevant. To my knowledge on forums (which isn't much) you can't see when threads were created, when posts were posted, i have looked.

How the fuck are race results wrong? That doesn't even make sense.

Anyway, so you seem to be a giant tosser that just won't admit he's wrong and is biased for the sake of argueing, probably because you just want posts to show how "cool" you are. So hopefully this will be my last post for this matter.

Once again,

The only reason i would ever own a Holden, would be to fuckin crash the thing.