89Turbo944's question!!!

[89Turbo944]

I figured since i seem to be jacking everyones thread that i should start my own so as to limit the off topic ness that i may bring to others threads.

Ok so last night i decided to go with a SBR TOD6H 20G turbo, with extrenal wastegate.

So heres what im thinking for my set up.
Intake system:
Air filter:K&N cone air filter.
Intake Pipe:Extreme PSI Intake Kit.

Exhaust System:Exdtreme Turbo, turbo back system, with O2 housing deletion.

Boost controler:HKS EVC V

Fuel System:
Air/fuel controller:Electromtive TEC-3 EMS (eliminats the need for a data logger and air fuel controller)
Fuel Pump: Aeromotive Eliminator fuel pump
injectors: Precision Turbo Engineering injectors
fuel regulator:Buschur Racing SX AFPR kit


Turbo system:
turbocharger: SBR TOD6H 20G
Wastegate: HKS 50mm, 60mm or Tial 46mm???
turbo timer: Blitz DTT DC

Intercooler: Forced Performance FMIC kit
BOV: HKS Racing BOV Type II

Engine Components:
Intake manifold: VPP Intake manifold
Cams: Crower Cams
Springs: Crower Ti-springs and retainers
Cam gears: Unorthadox Race came gears
Pulley kit: Unorthadox 4 piece kit
Connecting rods:Pauter H beam connceting rods
Crankshaft: FFWD Connection Butcher crankshaft
Pistons: Arias Racing pistons
Headgasket: HKS metal headgasket
Head: Buschur Racing head assemblie
Hardware: APR hardware kit

Cooling system:
Radiator: C&R 3 core rad
Hoses: Turbo Trix silicone rad hoses
Fan: Dual uneversal high output electric fans

Nitrous kit:
Manufactuturer: NX direct port nitrous kit

ECU Upgrade: Electromotive TEC-3 EMS

Drivetrain:
Short shifter: B&M short shifter
Clutch: HKS multi plate clutch assemblie
Flywheel: Clutch Master
Driveshaft: PST Racing driveshaft
LSD: Quaife center diffirential

Suspension:
Coilovers: JIC FLT-A2 coilovers
Swaybars: RM racing rear sway bar
Strut bars: APR front strut bar, Victory rear strut bar

Brake Upgrade:
Kit: Baer Pro 4 corner brake kit


Now i only have a few questions about this set up.
One to do with which wastegate to go wit. I want to be runing 400-450 daily driven hp, so i want o know which wastegate would be the best, would it be one of the HKS units or maby a msaller Tial 46mm unit?

Does anyone who runs any of these components have anything bad to say about them? Any recomindations to change the set up? If so please saw what you would change and why you changed it.

Or if i have left something out of this.

The help that so many members of DSMtuners, DSMtalk, automotive forums, and various other resources has helped me compile this setup.

Thank you for helping me get what im wanting out of my car.

[Afrokid]

For DSM's only use K&N performance air filters. the 46mm tial wastegate should be just fine for that application. [atleast to my knowledge]

[89Turbo944]

Y only a K&N on a DSM??

And im concerned that the Tial 46mm will not be able to evacuate the exhaust gas fast enough with the boost i intend to run. Which will max out at 35psi on race gas or 30psi.

The 35psi will prob not give me a gain in hp because the 20g wont really handle it. But still, at 30psi im concerned that it may not work as well as say an HKS 50mm or 60mm unit.

[89Turbo944]

Heres a few more questions i have,

Should i go with JIC FLT-A2 coilovers or Tein with the ADFC controller?

And what body kit is this, well just the front bumper anyway.


I think it is an EVO kit but the ones that i can find seem to not bee the same. I really like this kit for some reason, i think i would go with a different rear than the one that comes in the kit.

[JoeWagon]

Although you seem to be big pimpin', I would suggest the use of less expensive parts that won't make much of a difference. I'm talking about a few things (don't trust everything i say, and make sure you get 95 gsxracer to talk about almost every one of your choices, he WILL know if it's overboard, so here we go:

For a reason that kevin (gsxracer) knows and I have forgotten, there is only the need for such a large wastegate in only a few applications. Bigger isn't always better.

I know nothing about the 'ecu upgrade' but i'm positive it is not necessary. you probably know more than me so please explain what it will do for you.

I'm thinking stock crank would be fine, even with the NX, again just trying to make you think about it twice if you werent sure.

Same with driveshaft and center diff.

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/jicinfo.htm for JIC's. If you want that level of performance, it is the way to go.

lastly, get an alarm/auto start with built in turbo timer if you think you need one. Some people scoff at the thought of needing one. That's just my opinion

Again, good luck. I hope GSXracer didnt post 2sec before me and make me look silly.

EDIT>> I do the same shopping lists as these all the time, but it always gets out of hand. I don't think you're as poor as I am, but there is never any need to spend too much. 450-500 whp is attainable without as much money as this will cost, but the final decision is based on you. Remember that when you go to a candy store, you usually end up with more than you need.

[89Turbo944]

I know it is a little overkill but my shop is sponsering me and i will have to pay for very little of the mods that i choose.

And im still not sure weather to go with the 46mm Tial or the 50mm HKS. But i hope Kevin sees this and helps me out again.

Im changing out the crank and putting in a better one because of the DSM crank walk issue. I will also have new, wider, bearings installed. Just more of a preventitive measure than anythin else.

The driveshaft is lighter allowing less driveline hp loss. And it also allows me to upgrade later to make more power and have a car that will handle it. And the center diff i already have so it is definitly going into the car.

"The TEC³ is a PC-programmable engine control system featuring a powerful Windows-based tuning environment. For competition and ultra high output engines, the sophistication and power of the TEC³ system simply out-performs other production and aftermarket systems. "

[JoeWagon]

I'm sure you will, and I hate to say Kevin Kevin Kevin all day, but it's important that everything is good for the car, so that it doesn't cause trouble later. For example there are issues with wastegates and flapping open, which we can hope HE will explain again.

Why did you choose to get the DSM sponsored over the supra? curious...

[89Turbo944]

ya kevin knows his shit. I wanted him to look over it last night but he weht offline. I choose to get the DSM sponsered because it is cheaper for me and i can kill Supras when im done.

It costs far more to modify the supra than it does the DSM, and i Just cant afford to do that to the Supra. But she will be the next one. Then maby the RX7 I cna only hope he is willing to do them all. He is my boss tho so i cant piss him off

[89Turbo944]

So heres what im thinking for my set up.
Intake system:
Air filter:K&N cone air filter or APEXi Power filter
Intake Pipe:Extreme PSI Intake Kit.

Exhaust System:Extreme Turbo, turbo back system, with O2 housing deleation.

Boost controler:HKS EVC V

Fuel System:
Air/fuel controller:Electromtive TEC-3 EMS (eliminats the need for a data logger and air fuel controller)
Fuel Pump: Aeromotive Eliminator fuel pump
injectors: Precision Turbo Engineering injectors
fuel regulator:Buschur Racing SX AFPR kit


Turbo system:
turbocharger: SBR TOD6H 20G
Wastegate: HKS 50mm or Tial 46mm???
turbo timer: Blitz DTT DC

Intercooler: Forced Performance FMIC kit
BOV: HKS Racing BOV Type II

Engine Components:
Intake manifold: VPP Intake manifold
Cams: Crower Cams
Springs: Crower Ti-springs and retainers
Cam gears: Unorthadox Race came gears
Pulley kit: Unorthadox 4 piece kit
Connecting rods:Pauter H beam connceting rods
Crankshaft: FFWD Connection Butcher crankshaft
Pistons: Arias Racing pistons
Headgasket: HKS metal headgasket
Head: Buschur Racing head assemblie
Hardware: APR hardware kit

Cooling system:
Radiator: C&R 3 core rad
Hoses: Turbo Trix silicone rad hoses
Fan: Dual uneversal high output electric fans

Nitrous kit:
Manufactuturer: NX direct port nitrous kit

ECU Upgrade: Electromotive TEC-3 EMS

Drivetrain:
Short shifter: B&M short shifter
Clutch: HKS multi plate clutch assemblie
Flywheel: Clutch Master
Driveshaft: PST Racing driveshaft
LSD: Quaife center diffirential

Suspension:
Coilovers: JIC FLT-A2 coilovers or Tein Flex w ADFC
Swaybars: RM racing rear sway bar
Strut bars: APR front strut bar, Victory rear strut bar

Brake Upgrade:
Kit: Baer Pro 4 corner brake kit

[kjewer1]

Originally Posted by 89Turbo944

Y only a K&N on a DSM??

And im concerned that the Tial 46mm will not be able to evacuate the exhaust gas fast enough with the boost i intend to run. Which will max out at 35psi on race gas or 30psi.

Not to sound rude, but comments like this tell me that you are nowhere near ready for the setup you mention above. I hope you take this criticism cinstructively, its for your own good, not mine.

Go to the RKO site in my sig, and read the sticky in the DSM section on how wastegates work. Then restructure the above statement
For reference, I use a turbonetics deltagate, which is actually a 32mm gate, and can run 13 psi (spring pressure) to redline with a 65 lb/min turbo Joe, you were right on BTW.

I think that list is bigtime overkill, but it has to start somewhere. I think everyone just needs to take a step back and remember why we modify DSMs in the first place. Because 400 whp is nothing for a completely stock motor and doesnt require robbing a bank to buy bolt ons. 400 whp is cheap guys. Its more aobut knowledge than a list of parts and a pocketful of money. It seems like you are open to suggestions and are willing to learn, which is a good thing

Here is my list for a 400 whp pump gas car.

TDO6h 20g
3" exhaust (a real one, not ricer brand)
K&N
255 pump/AFPR
950cc
DSMlink
272/272 HKS cams
6 bolt motor, stock or built, doesnt matter at only 400 hp
1g BOV or Tial/SARD for the nice ones if you run a MAFt
a real FMIC, not ricer brand

Thats the big stuff. Basically my mod list. There are other cool things you can do like an intake manifold that will help a lot and look good. Drivelne preparations are up to you, but an ACT 2600 and a Speed Design center diff are the standard issue upgrades for 11 second duty (and faster). Its all up to you, thats just how I would do things based on my experience. Hope it helps.

[89Turbo944]

I will do that.

Thanks Kevin

[89Turbo944]

o and kevin add another w to the RKO adress

[kjewer1]

Thanks

[89Turbo944]

no biggie