new gto!?!

[RicR_wana_B]

holy crap!!! i just saw a commercial for the new gto and my god this thing sounds like a beast, aluminium block, im not sure what its called but i think its something like power connected push rods??? its puttin out 350 horse with 365 ft-lbs torque, 0-60 in 5.3 seconds and it runs the 1/4 in the low 14's. sounds nice

[Chavez408]

what broadcast? did u c it at

[Bunta]

Yeah, it's called a Holden Manaro. The Aussies have had it for years. Ah... freedom.

But yeah, nice to see rear wheel drive coming back to MUSCLE CARS. Holy crap, we've been living a lie for twenty-five years.

[Neutrino]

its just the ls1 from the camaro or TA...nothing new except that is in a touring car

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

nothing new other than it can handle well but it's poo they had it on top gear it didn't make a good impression on the lap times as it was well down the list. NSX type R was higher !!!!!! by a large amount

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K

nothing new other than it can handle well but it's poo they had it on top gear it didn't make a good impression on the lap times as it was well down the list. NSX type R was higher !!!!!! by a large amount

well its normal for the nsx r to be way faster on a track....the GTO is just a fast luxury coupe

[DeViL]

nothing new other than it can handle well but it's poo they had it on top gear it didn't make a good impression on the lap times as it was well down the list. NSX type R was higher !!!!!! by a large amount

They had the Manaro on Top Gear when did they use the GTO?

Again with the nsx, why the hell do you feel you must defend that car when no one is even talking about it? You sound paranoid for no reason at all.

[-Josh-]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

well its normal for the nsx r to be way faster on a track....the GTO is just a fast luxury coupe

No it's not....The car has no advanced options except for a CD player, it's not meant to be a "luxury coupe". The car is amazing however, even though it's being seen as a long cavalier. It's a production car that noone can bitch about not having enough room to see out the rear window, or to uncomfortable and squished interior room(like the camaro and T/A....RIP). We just got one on the showroom where i work, and it is very impressive up close, we got 3 of them and 2 were already sold before they arrived.

I saw that commercial they were talking about, that was a damn good commercial, short and to the point.

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Z28Josh

No it's not....The car has no advanced options except for a CD player, it's not meant to be a "luxury coupe". The car is amazing however, even though it's being seen as a long cavalier. It's a production car that noone can bitch about not having enough room to see out the rear window, or to uncomfortable and squished interior room(like the camaro and T/A....RIP). We just got one on the showroom where i work, and it is very impressive up close, we got 3 of them and 2 were already sold before they arrived.

I saw that commercial they were talking about, that was a damn good commercial, short and to the point.

i said "fast luxury coupe" and if its not meant to be that can you tell me what segment of the market represents?

[DeViL]

I can understand the comparison to the Grand Am and the Grand Prix, but I don't see where it looks like a Cavalier they are quite a bit different.

Speaking of new cars....where the hell did this come from? I never heard about any car called the Cobalt? Seems like its getting ready for production as well. It's like a mixture of an Impala and Malibu.

[Layla's Keeper]

I like the Pontiac GTO for no other reason other than the fact that it handily wins the under-$40,000 near luxury sport coupe category comparison. Let's take a look at its competitors.

(now, this is just off the top of my head, so feel free to post specs that contradict my statements)

BMW 330ci
Infiniti G35 Sport Coupe
Chrysler Crossfire
Volvo C70
Mazda RX-8
Ford Mustang GT
Audi TT coupe
Acura CL
Honda Accord coupe
Nissan 350Z
Mercedes CLK320

Well, the next best accelerator is either the Mustang GT or the 350Z. And in the handling department I'd bet on the 350Z or RX-8 to beat it out, but there's a lot of dusted machinery there and certainly a great many more cars not in the category that should look over their shoulders. The GTO is a lot of car for the money, and there's a lot more potential in it as the HRT427 concept proved. Personally, I can't wait for the GTO to become this beast.

[MustangRoadRacer]

It's ok, but I don't thing it beats the under 40k crowd hands down.
It's nice though, but nothing revolutionary.

[Jimster]

Everything,bar the Mustang and ancient Volvo will wipe the floor with the Monaro, handling wise, from that above list. I've taken most of them for a spin (And even own one of them) bar the G35, which I have read as being as on par, if not more than the 3 series, neither have I driven the US Hondas, but Honda have always been pretty good with inspiring FWD cars. Oh and I'll be checking out the Crossfire asap.

The Beemer, G35, Crossfire, RX8, TT and Z will at least. It'd be more on par with the Hondas and CLK in that department.

You've got to remember that the GTO is a Monaro, which is a Commodore with the back doors welded shut, which is based off the Opel V Body Omega, which was introduced back in 1993. I'm pretty sure the US Pontiac GTO is the Series 2 Monaro, which is a VX SII Commodore, later models (and maybe the GTO) had refinements made to the suspension by V8 Supercars champ Mark Skaife and the HRT team. I'm pretty sure that it was handling among other things, that saw the Monaro with an early exit from the Australian Wheels COTY 2001 awards.

I myself was always disappointed by the Series I Monaro

However in terms of simple power and brawn, few can beat the Monaro, especially in 300Kw form, you guys are just lucky you aren't getting the CV6 model with the Buick 3.8 :apuke: I'd be interested to see how it goes in a straight line against the Mustang GT. If only Holden would put that 427 in the Monaro I'd love to see that

[Layla's Keeper]

Well, at the least it's a tight race between them all. And it isn't because I'm anti-the other cars. Quite frankly, the only ones in that list that I wouldn't want in my driveway are the two Hondas, the Volvo, and the Mercedes CLK320.

I'm just big on the GTO and really despise all of its pundits because it's such a good all around car. The old muscle cars guys are all up in arms because it's not just for them (aka; it's refined and poised, ready to take on the world since there's no more muscle cars of its breed to fight in the states) and the import guys still seem to look down on it because it's a big American coupe with a big OHV V8, and we all know that's not the way to make power.

This is a good car and one that's ready to play with some big boys from beyond Woodward Avenue. Whether or not it's an Australian transplant doesn't matter. It's a good car.

[Jimster]

Originally Posted by Layla's Keeper

Well, at the least it's a tight race between them all. And it isn't because I'm anti-the other cars. Quite frankly, the only ones in that list that I wouldn't want in my driveway are the two Hondas, the Volvo, and the Mercedes CLK320.

I'm just big on the GTO and really despise all of its pundits because it's such a good all around car. The old muscle cars guys are all up in arms because it's not just for them (aka; it's refined and poised, ready to take on the world since there's no more muscle cars of its breed to fight in the states) and the import guys still seem to look down on it because it's a big American coupe with a big OHV V8, and we all know that's not the way to make power.

This is a good car and one that's ready to play with some big boys from beyond Woodward Avenue. Whether or not it's an Australian transplant doesn't matter. It's a good car.

Struth mate!