ITR suspension?!

[Veetec]

Some days ago I´ve met a guy from austria (who seemed to be deeply in the Honda scene) in the net and he told me that I shoudln´t buy a coilover system for my future ITR if I´m not lowering it more than 1,6 inch (=4cm???) because it would be fine with the stock struts then! He also said that I wouldn´t reach the performance of the stock suspension because I wouldn´t be able to adjust it that professionally and I think that he´s very right with that! What do you guys think about that? My goal was to get these ugly gap between the tires and the wheel-wells away (on stock rims/tires)! So what would you do?? Any ideas would be damn nice because I really don´t want to think about suspension problems anymore! PLEASE HELP ME OUT!!! THANX IN ADVANCE!

[Veetec]

Common, somebody has to know anything about that!!

[Racing Rice]

When you say coilover are you talking about a sleeve kit like Ground Control, or skunk? Or are you talking about a True coilover kit. Since you said stock shocks Im going to assume your talking about the Sleeves, with the sleeves you should get new shocks along with your sleeves. Cause you will have to sooner or later anyway. Stock shocks arent made for lowered this can cause them to either give you a really crappy ride or even blow out. Why dont you just get a set of lowering springs like H&R, Eibach, Nuepeed, etc...

[Veetec]

Originally posted by Racing Rice
When you say coilover are you talking about a sleeve kit like Ground Control, or skunk? Or are you talking about a True coilover kit. Since you said stock shocks Im going to assume your talking about the Sleeves, with the sleeves you should get new shocks along with your sleeves. Cause you will have to sooner or later anyway. Stock shocks arent made for lowered this can cause them to either give you a really crappy ride or even blow out. Why dont you just get a set of lowering springs like H&R, Eibach, Nuepeed, etc...

Sleeves?? Dunno what that is!! I´m talking about springs. Should I just get some new H&R springs, which will lower the ITR for about 1,4 inch [35mm in metric system] and are specially built for the ITR, (we don´t have got Neuspeed and Eibach is not low enough for me) or a full H&R coilover system? Like I´ve already said it´ll be difficult to adjust the coilover system so that it´ll be as good as the stock suspension or even better! What do you think about that? Springs or coilover system? Coilover system or springs?....Thanx in advance!

[HONDA_99]

if you think it will be difficult for you to adjust coilovers, do not buy them.
get lowering springs.
Eibach Pro-Kit will give you 1.3" (33mm) drop.
Eibach Sportline springs 1.7" (43mm).
H&R SPORTS SPRINGS STAGE2 springs 1.7"/1.5" (43mm/38mm).
H&R RACE SPRINGS STAGE3 springs 2"/1.75" (51mm/44mm).
Neuspeed Race springs 2"/1.75" (51mm/44mm).
Neuspeed Sport springs 1.7"/1.5" (43mm/38mm).

why are you saying you don't have Neuspeed and Eibach over there, aren't those Germany based companies?
here is few pictures to see difference between systems.
coilover sleeves


full coilover kit


lowering springs

[Dezoris]

The problem with the ITR is that the suspension is already tuned, very well. Although the stock tires have a big part in that!!!

The only way to out perform your current suspension is to get a full coilover setup, and yes H&R makes one of the best for the ITR.
But you are going to need a place to corner weight the car.

The thing with the H&R setup is that you are going to be race ready, which means track conditions and hard abuse, it won't really give you any edge in daily driving unless you drive in excess of 90 MPH or 170kmph. But most of these systems are great for track, but your car won't really gain any ground for daily driving.

You want to drop your car? I would only go with a full coilover suspension fully tuned by a proshop.

If not, it is really not worth disrupting the stock tuning.
There are not many cars that can pull a .93g on a 300ft skid pad for under 22,000 US dollars. Much of that is in design, and also in the tires.

[Veetec]

Originally posted by Dezoris
The problem with the ITR is that the suspension is already tuned, very well. Although the stock tires have a big part in that!!!

The only way to out perform your current suspension is to get a full coilover setup, and yes H&R makes one of the best for the ITR.
But you are going to need a place to corner weight the car.

The thing with the H&R setup is that you are going to be race ready, which means track conditions and hard abuse, it won't really give you any edge in daily driving unless you drive in excess of 90 MPH or 170kmph. But most of these systems are great for track, but your car won't really gain any ground for daily driving.

You want to drop your car? I would only go with a full coilover suspension fully tuned by a proshop.

If not, it is really not worth disrupting the stock tuning.
There are not many cars that can pull a .93g on a 300ft skid pad for under 22,000 US dollars. Much of that is in design, and also in the tires.

That´s exactly what I´m talking of! Stock is already very good so a full coilover system won´t be better for a daily driver. And it´ll be just a daily driver and not a race car (only street racing ). That´s why I´m thinking about H&R springs (1,3 inch). I wrote H&R an e-mail yesterday and they told me that they are specially designed for the ITR stock shocks. So what do you think about that? All I want is to lower it a little bit without hurting the handling!

[Veetec]

Originally posted by HONDA_99
if you think it will be difficult for you to adjust coilovers, do not buy them.
get lowering springs.
Eibach Pro-Kit will give you 1.3" (33mm) drop.
Eibach Sportline springs 1.7" (43mm).
H&R SPORTS SPRINGS STAGE2 springs 1.7"/1.5" (43mm/38mm).
H&R RACE SPRINGS STAGE3 springs 2"/1.75" (51mm/44mm).
Neuspeed Race springs 2"/1.75" (51mm/44mm).
Neuspeed Sport springs 1.7"/1.5" (43mm/38mm).

why are you saying you don't have Neuspeed and Eibach over there, aren't those Germany based companies?
here is few pictures to see difference between systems.
coilover sleeves


full coilover kit


lowering springs

It´s not too difficult to adjust it for me. But it´ll be too difficult for me to adjust it so that it´s better than stock. It will be too difficult to adjust it for nearly everybody in here IMO!
We have got Eibach over here! I dunno about Neuspeed though. If I´m remembering right it´s a, how do you say that, "daughter-brand" or "sub-brand" of a german brand or anything like that!!?

[Dezoris]

Originally posted by Veetec
That´s exactly what I´m talking of! Stock is already very good so a full coilover system won´t be better for a daily driver. And it´ll be just a daily driver and not a race car (only street racing ). That´s why I´m thinking about H&R springs (1,3 inch). I wrote H&R an e-mail yesterday and they told me that they are specially designed for the ITR stock shocks. So what do you think about that? All I want is to lower it a little bit without hurting the handling!

I think if your goal is to drop, then yes the H&R are the best choice, you should maintain a stock feel and balance, slightly less compression may make your ride a bit more bouncy from the shock trying to rebound more often, but not very noticable.

You are making a safe choice, one that I would do myself, if I wanted a bit of a drop.

Unlike any of the other models, you really have to be careful with the ITR suspension. Now admitadly you can turn the GSR suspesion into a Type R with the shocks springs, swaybars and control arms, but here again, those components offer that car a balance.
You still have the Potenza 010s on the car?

[Veetec]

Originally posted by Dezoris


I think if your goal is to drop, then yes the H&R are the best choice, you should maintain a stock feel and balance, slightly less compression may make your ride a bit more bouncy from the shock trying to rebound more often, but not very noticable.

You are making a safe choice, one that I would do myself, if I wanted a bit of a drop.

Unlike any of the other models, you really have to be careful with the ITR suspension. Now admitadly you can turn the GSR suspesion into a Type R with the shocks springs, swaybars and control arms, but here again, those components offer that car a balance.
You still have the Potenza 010s on the car?

Thanx a lot, Dezoris! That was the kind of answer I wanted to hear! I don´t have the car yet, I will buy it in the next weeks! But I will keep the stock tires and rims. Just like I´ve already said, I just want it a little bit lower without hurting the performance. The rest of the suspension and tires/rims will be stock.

[Dezoris]

Originally posted by Veetec
Thanx a lot, Dezoris! That was the kind of answer I wanted to hear! I don´t have the car yet, I will buy it in the next weeks! But I will keep the stock tires and rims. Just like I´ve already said, I just want it a little bit lower without hurting the performance. The rest of the suspension and tires/rims will be stock.

Well I have several freinds with that car.
Seen them do some stupid shit.
So as much as I would love to own it. I can't at this time. But if I did, I know what does not work on it

From what I have seen and from the ones I have driven
(here is a sound clip from one I drove http://www.dezoris.com/typersound.mp3
That the only thing I would ever do to it is add an AEM CAI (maybe) the ITR in the clip had one, and swap my Volks and Potenzas to the car.
Maybe add the JDM 4-1 header, but other than that, the car is a work of art. If I were racing it, I would swap a very expensive suspenion on it.
That is it. If I really wanted a drop, I would go with the H&Rs.
Good luck!! Make sure the car has the 010 potenzas on it or an equivelent (re730s, S02s, S03)

[Someguy]

Originally posted by Dezoris
But you are going to need a place to corner weight the car.

There just aren't enough people in the world that know what the real use of coil overs actually is, but at least there are a few. Oh well, back to "slamming".