SS hoods non functional/ Ws6 hood provides real cold air pressure

[SONIC1050fps]

The SS is a bad Ass looking car but the hood is only window dressing.. look at it.. the air pick up is from LAMINAR airflow.. it goes through a circutous path then finally after being heated up agian.. it enters the Air filter... window dresssing

now i'm gonacheat a bit because GM engineers were worried about Hydrolock rain baffles were put in the WS6 hood.. air still flows .. but remove the rain baffle and use an oil impregnated filter.. and you have Air from the HIGH PRESSURE CROSSS SECTION.. going striaght in..and into the air filter.. still cold from the outside and at a velocity..

to compare this

the Vette has a Vairam.it uses 2 air pick ups in the"High pressure cross section" and routes them to a sealed filter.. and it works as at speed as low as 50 or less.... Variram Guarantee's their coustomers a drop of .35-4 in the 1/4 and a MPH gain of 3-4 mph.. OR YOUR MONEY BACK ( obviosly this ram effect works)

i printed out their info..it was 10 pages long..

damn!

.. they explained why it works.. because at WOT youre in a - atmospheric psi so even if you bring it up to say atmosphere which is 14.696.. your likely to gain on a 99 C5 they got 36-40 hp

Using this very principal..many Ws6 owners have gone further ..(like myself) and spent the 5 bucks for wether stripping and when the hood is shut the exsit from the ram air is sealed to the entrance of the airbox



this and along with an augmented suspension by Pontiac in 99.. John Heinrikcy(sp) was commisioned to improve handling and ride..and he did.. .the WS6/TA is a better..or shall we say easier to launch
If both the SS and Ws6 started out with similar hp +/- 5 rw.. the Ws6 will consistantly take the ss by a .2 margin..

check out the mags that tested both cars same day same driver.. funny how .2..-..25 comes up

Hell when Popular Mechanics did this test in 99 the SS came up with a grilling 13.5 but the Ws6 was a 13.15

Oh Black Camaro SS .. i have proof on all of this too..

so believe what you want you get what you pay for the aren't identical twins.. everyone knows that

Oh and for the hard of hearing in 01-02 special parts from the LS6 were put on all LS1..Intake mani,exhaust mani,6.0 truck cam, revised programming

and surprise

in 01 and 02.. with an overflow of LS6 BLOCKS.. you had a 1 in 5 chance of getting one as they were allocated to F body use


Just thought you guys wanted to know

especially the fact that you may have a LS6 Block.. Block not engine.. but head and cam willmake a nice difference especially if you Camaro has the BLOCK

[BlkCamaroSS]

You calling me out? Childish. My daddy is better than your daddy.

You need to get off of this LS6 block thing. Somebody told you wrong, and you bought into it hook, line and sinker. The only thing the 01 and 02 LS1's share with a Corvette Z06 LS6 motor is the LS6 intake manifold. Granted I have heard rumors of a few cars coming out with an LS6 block, but like I said before, if it was as high as 1 in 5, it would be considered an option on the car, and it certainly was not. Stop posting of that which you know nothing about.

Let's starts seeing some proof buddy, cause it's obvious I hurt your feelings.

[StingRay_68]

He's right. I bought a Camaro magazine the other day that said the same thing. The company that built the LS-6 Block built so many of them, that GM had a surplus. And you can't make money on an engine block that sits in the shop. Now, the only real difference between an LS-6 block and an LS-1 block (besides stronger metal) is larger breather holes between the cyllinder banks in the crank case.

Now MY concern is this. When you are going to state a case, and try to say how much better something is, do so using proper spelling and grammar. It helps so much, and makes you seem that much more intelligent.

Thanks

[89IROC&RS]

well, i dont mean to throw my hat into the ring on this one, seeing as i dont really know any numbers, and this is the first i have heard about the LS6 motors in f-bodys, but my concern is about the "heated air" in the SS camaros ram air system? honestly, unless you have measured the intake air temerature, and can back that up, i dont really see how the air in that system would be heated to any signifigant ammount. its not in there long enough, and its really not close to any source of major heat. the air from the radiator is blown back towards the engine, and over the exhaust manifolds, and out the back of the hood. not forward to where the airbox is. i will agree that the WS6 system, with the air scoops closer to the front is probly a better sysem, but i dont think that the air from the SS system, even though it has a less optimal path to follow, suffers any excessive heating because of it. oh and i cant spell to save my life, hope it dosnt offend anyone also, i would argue that they are still the same car, even if you have different intake tracks that might, and i stress MIGHT make a slight performane difference, that .2 seconds is hardly a argument to state that the cars are two different beasts. they are the same car, in every way. case closed.

[BlkCamaroSS]

If this were the case, and that actually 1 out of every 5 V8's in 01 and 02 F-bodies were true LS6 blocks, then why didn't people take their cars back and say I want the more powerful power plant? There's no way that they could market something like this without there being an option, because the backlash from the buying public would be so great. I will not believe this until I see definitive evidence to convince me otherwise.

Being a former member of SLP's board, and having the knowledge base about these cars from that board, and this never having come up other than the fact that a few of them may have slipped into F-bodies (the only way you can tell being checking the number on the block), I find these statements almost impossible.

[BlkCamaroSS]

http://www.geocities.com/cacio/z282002production.html
http://www.geocities.com/cacio/z282001production.html

From these numbers, it shows that in 2002 there were 24,805 F-bodies with LS1's, and in 2001 there were 12,652 . This equals 37457 units that were Z28's, SS's, TA's, WS6's, and Firehawks. Now, one out of five is 20% of the total number of V8's sent out from the St. Therese plant in Quebec. 20% of 37457 is 7491.4, or almost 7500 cars. 7500 cars!!! There is no way that the public would not know about a statistic like that this far after the fact. No way. I'll give you the fact that there are some LS6 blocks in Camaros, maybe even a couple of hundred, that kind of an overflow, but there is no damn way that there are seven and a half thousand F-bodies out there with LS6 blocks. No way.

Notice I've never debated the fact that there are LS6 blocks out there from the factory in F-bodies. I know of several former members of SLP's board that proved that they had LS6 blocks in their cars, through pictures and documentation when that board was stil running. I've been debating the numbers put forth, i.e. the 1 in 5, this whole time...

[SONIC1050fps]

Actually the number from Gm are 15% to 20 % in 01 and 20%-25% in 02

So for you blackysince your so into being exact.. the average between 15 the low and 25 the high is 20%..thats 1 in 5.. Sorry ..play agian when you know something


why would their be a backlash

hmm?

i guess when i change my origianal plugs and they arent Ac delco but NGK's.. i should make a public outcry..

the Block in of itself does not supply enough hp to effect their tolerance -/+ factor

But the other parts

you are way off

LS6 intake Manifold
LS6 exhaust manifold
6.0liter truck cam
Revised programming

just in case you doubt..

recall in 01 how long it took to get an aftermarket chip???
I wonder why.. , new cam, new intake , new exhaust manifold..different tables in the PCU

The answer was always right their.. you just need to be spoon fed, hey i didn't know or believe at first either..


I see no one doubts the suspension change.. well i guess when the 99 SS slaloms at 60 mph and the convertable Ws6 doeit in 63.4 that kinda tells you something doesn't it

Just waiting for a fax blacky.. i could give a shit about you

other know

go on Ls1.com and be laughe off by their technical people..ask about any of the aformentioned info ad they'll kick you of..asking you were have you been.. SLP man
the heat occurs as the air runs along the hood( friction, then right over the block the circutuos path occurs..yes its hotter not as hot as engine bay air.. but not ambient like the Ws6.. Nobody studies (convection.). where heat is picked up by air rather quickly

the twins are not exactly the same


(IE) the Ls6 block is only of significant benifit if you build high hp.. it can more readily handle it than the Ls1 block

to Blacky

show me any head to head test ,same day same driver were the SS beats the Ws6.. even in braking.. the pontiac performs better.. though their have been some non same day testing..

Hey any of you read or write in Italian/Latin/ or French.. well i do

and i'm sure my spelling.. was good enough for you all to get the point.. you got what you paid for..

No Blacky my daddy would kill your daddy he was a light heavyweight european martial arts champ then went to brazil to train with the Gracies


So Blacky hows it feel not to know, be left out of the loop

those parts are a Fact in 01-02.. a fact sonny.. like i said try the leader in LS1 info LS1.com

and you know who is right.. but i suspect your ego won't allow you to like it. Nor won't allow you to give me your Fax #..

Sorry to tell you ,you're not always right.. and if your math is correct then yes.. not a few hundred .. try the word thousand
the advantage is if you have one.. you can build it upto a higher hp without fear.. thats the advantage.. just incase you were trying to invoke a logical reason


all this info is about a year old as well.. some older..

but he 01-02 LS6 parts.. you knew about.. you just didn't know specifics..


Gee i guess when Pontiac performance mag tested that Auto .. they NEVER expected a 13.1x but a 13.8 like you said.. because constant improvement doesn't occur..
when they knew the 03 cobra was right around the corner..

here is another one you don't know.. Lutz insisted on puttting in a whole LS6. into the Annivesary Ed SS, and Collector Ed Ws6 but was shot down by the bean counters.. yes young Slp man this is a fact.

oh yeah i want to be in one of your prefab buildings

Next i'll here the Z06 and the CTS-V are twins..lol

[89IROC&RS]

well, again, im not puttin my hand in the ring on production numbers and LS6 stuff, but sonic, i wil say again, if you have temp figures id be interested, but im an aeronautical engineering major, and do not see how there is a conciderable ammount of friction in the air ducting, and not enough convection to significantly heat the air in the ss trac, it is however more restrictive due to the many turns in the path of the air. however for the maybe 1-2 degree increase in air temp, it would not make a major diff in performance. perhaps in rush hour traffic when the car is sitting still, over hot asphault, there might be a case for convection, but in rush hour traffic, im pretty sure the two cars would be going the same speed, slow. at the track, where performance is what we are talking about, the fast moving air going over the hood, under the hood, and into the air track, would not be heated through convection. at least not to any signifigant degree as i said before. and also, i have worked on camaros and firebirds, and have seen them as being pretty damn similar, if you can bring me part numbers for the suspention parts, lets say, shocks and springs maybe, that are different between the two cars, ill agree with you, but the cars are the same. both F-bodys, different on the outside, but teh same inside. oh and the vette and CTS, not the same, but damn close. almost the same car, diff drivetrain.

[89IROC&RS]

aint i a stinka

[89IROC&RS]

for the record, before everyone jumps up my butt, i know the vette and CTS are different, i just had to say they were the same to be a dick :-P

[SONIC1050fps]

*89 Iroc.. almost an engineer.. thank God..

ok we've determined that laminar flow will pick up heat,, then we also agree that when the airflow hits that circutous path.. it slows down.. alowing for friction and convection to do its thing.. what about volume.. ah.. much much less..
and now one that you'll understand.. how about all this negative becoming exponential on the ss.. along with its positive.. and the Ws6 + becoming exponential

Know a race is usually to 110.. andsince is a logrythmic exponent.. i'd say.. the Ws6 remeber weighing 100lbs more ..has a clear advantage with the intake track alone..

common sens .. you act like a student.. i'll place a temp gauge at my maf and i already now ts gong to be ambient.. though you know the SS hood it won't be.. and it only gets worse.. while the Ws6 gets better..

recently the test ive read..is that the SS and ws6a are dead eve till abot 55mph then slowly the Ws6 starts to pull.. funny how it coincides with the Variram system for the Vette.. they start packing the manifold to return VE at speeds of 48- 52.. why not look up Variram and see how it works then get back to me.

Blacky can't admit when heis wrong.. LS6 blocks, LS6 parts the guys has been out of the loop.. like i said he thinks Slp is god.. sorry.. NOT.. and you budies haven'yt been giving you the skinny on all the recent disclosers on the 01-02

like i've said..pc a safe Fax # i'll be professsional..and i'll be happy to send you some info..

then you'll know your wrong..

and not about miscalcuting a undoable numbers breakdwn.. or missed your car year.. but real info..

you just a wimp.. to ashamed to admit.. you know squat..

rmember.. yor Bilstien is to help on the RR and AC.. man thats the biggest waste of money for options.. bushings, rear sway hocks .. i'd keep my spring..it they were stock.. and wip you on a road course.. as for launching your 'Bilstien' sucks

remeber the SaleenS351 with 495 Hp..it had a RR suspension. it ran an amazing 12.7

These wwere Steve Saleens numbers
confirmed by MM &FF

so suspension is everything or at least springs in your case

[Hypsi87]

Originally Posted by SONIC1050fps

*89 Iroc.. almost an engineer.. thank God..

ok we've determined that laminar flow will pick up heat,, then we also agree that when the airflow hits that circutous path.. it slows down.. alowing for friction and convection to do its thing.. what about volume.. ah.. much much less..
and now one that you'll understand.. how about all this negative becoming exponential on the ss.. along with its positive.. and the Ws6 + becoming exponential

Know a race is usually to 110.. andsince is a logrythmic exponent.. i'd say.. the Ws6 remeber weighing 100lbs more ..has a clear advantage with the intake track alone..

common sens .. you act like a student.. i'll place a temp gauge at my maf and i already now ts gong to be ambient.. though you know the SS hood it won't be.. and it only gets worse.. while the Ws6 gets better..

recently the test ive read..is that the SS and ws6a are dead eve till abot 55mph then slowly the Ws6 starts to pull.. funny how it coincides with the Variram system for the Vette.. they start packing the manifold to return VE at speeds of 48- 52.. why not look up Variram and see how it works then get back to me.

Blacky can't admit when heis wrong.. LS6 blocks, LS6 parts the guys has been out of the loop.. like i said he thinks Slp is god.. sorry.. NOT.. and you budies haven'yt been giving you the skinny on all the recent disclosers on the 01-02

like i've said..pc a safe Fax # i'll be professsional..and i'll be happy to send you some info..

then you'll know your wrong..

and not about miscalcuting a undoable numbers breakdwn.. or missed your car year.. but real info..

you just a wimp.. to ashamed to admit.. you know squat..

rmember.. yor Bilstien is to help on the RR and AC.. man thats the biggest waste of money for options.. bushings, rear sway hocks .. i'd keep my spring..it they were stock.. and wip you on a road course.. as for launching your 'Bilstien' sucks

remeber the SaleenS351 with 495 Hp..it had a RR suspension. it ran an amazing 12.7

These wwere Steve Saleens numbers
confirmed by MM &FF

so suspension is everything or at least springs in your case

dude chill out so what if blkcamaroSS is wrong or right. your acting like an idoit...it sound to me like you have a bad case of small man's syndrome,need to prove everyone wrong just because it makes you feel better. I agree with 89IROC&RS I don't see how 1-2 degree of temp. difference can make a diffrence.

[ZSunset]

Tick . . . Tick . . . Tick . . . . It's the SONIC1050fps ticking time bomb.

OK SONIC, you might be right about the LS6 block in F bodies. Along with many others, I read the same thing in a national magazine.

I don't know whether you are right or not about the science behind the airflow -- I'm certainly no expert in that regard.

Here's the thing though. 89IROC&RS is an engineering student, and for that, I think he gets some credibility. You didn't seem too impressed, however. Well, let's see what we know about you:

We know you can't spell and you have an abnormally agressive disposition. We also know that -- on at least one other occasion -- you have proven yourself to be completely full of crap ("2005 Camaro Thread - Post No. 4 where you identify some design student's final exam project as an SS - "the sister car to the Judge". Huh?).

Despite your apparent troubles with the English language, you claim to be fluent in Italian, French and even Latin! Wow!

You're Dad was "a light heavyweight european martial arts champ" who later went on to Brazil to "train with the Gracies".

You are apparently a very wealthy person since you own: a 2003 Twin-Turbo Z06 Corvette; a new Cadillac XLR; a 1995 ZR1 Corvette and several others in addition to your WS6. Interestingly, you have pretty much limited your posts to threads about F bodies. I would have figured that someone with a Twin-Turbo Z06 and an XLR might want to join a couple of threads about those cars.

Then, your great wealth notwithstanding, the only way you can send out proof of your scientific claims is by fax. What? No scanner? Just take whatever pages you wanted to fax, scan them and post a link to them so everyone can see your data.

You know, if I had your cars (and the kind of money it must have taken to get those cars) I'd pretty much be Mr. Happy-Go-Lucky all the damn time. So, you see, something just doesn't seem to add up here. What gives?

[Vlad_Tepes]

Just say it with me fellas...I just got Trolled..LOL

Some ppl just talk all kinds of shit...I call them Keyboard Warriors.... Big and tough and talk all the crap in the world while on the net... but in real life the school bully takes his lunch money.

[CamaroSSBoy346]

haha.. you were just 0WN3D!