Turbo B18B1 or All Motor B16A

[tupacglock]

Hello, I am so torn between these two options. I am planning to spend $5000 or less including the price of the car. (2G MPFI CRX)
This car will be a sleeper except exaust.

I either want a B18B1 with a Garett T04E or an All Motor B16A. If I was going to go Turbo B18B1I would want something like this:
Car 1:
B18B1 Engine, Tranny, Mounts, and Axels
Better Head Gaskets (recommend a company please)
Aftermarket ECU (recommend as well)
New plugs and plug wires
Bashed-out cat for racing, and Cat-Back exaust
Custom Exaust: (unless kit is cheaper)
Garrett T04E (what size wastegate? any BOV recommendations?)
440CC Injectors
Apex'i Boost Controller
Anything else I could fit in for under 5k?

Car 2:
B16A Engine, Tranny, Mounts, and Axels
Performance ECU
Better Crank Pulley
Header, New Cat, Exaust
Cams, Retainers, Valve Spings
CAI
Anything Else?

I like the CRX's potential but I usually do Inline-6s or larger. I wont have anyproblem doing all the work myself, some of the cars I have modified include:
89 Supra TT
B18C1 pistons Del Sol
Edelbrock Turbo kit on a VTec Civic (D Series)
T76 on an R13 RX-7.
A few 305 Camaros
Two 4.6L fords (A lincoln and a mustang)
Lastly a 395 Chevelle SS

[chuckhatch]

if you want to be really really quick defintaly go with the b18b1 turbo set up...
it will be very fast in a crx...not sure on all the specs your lookin for...good luck though..

[black89crxLs]

Go with a b18 turbo, it will be more wear and tear on ur car to go all motor and put out less HP, and go slower than a turbo will, when u turbo ur motor has to do less wirk to put out more HP, plus every one has a b16 rex, good luck on doing it under 5K though!!!!!!!!

[jcrx]

You can't even compare an LS turbo to a B16A with some bolt ons and maybe cams, they are two COMPLETELY different animals.

[black89crxLs]

yea like a Maserati and a CRX CRX is way the fk better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by black89crxLs

yea like a Maserati and a CRX CRX is way the fk better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obviously you have never driven a Maserati, once you do, you'll cringe when you get back into your CRX.

[Ace$nyper]

word to that. Also it comes down to what you want. I myself rather take the b16 allmotor then a turbo B18b. I understand that the turbo would be faster but i enjoy N/A over forced induction for honda motors. So if you want fast both good faster =turbo b18 but remember what suits you is key.

[tupacglock]

Originally Posted by jcrx

Obviously you have never driven a Maserati, once you do, you'll cringe when you get back into your CRX.

Stripped B18B1 Turbo CRX HF (I/H/E/No Cat)
Est HP: 200hp@6300RPM <-easyily
Est TQ: 170lb-ft@5200RPM <-Turbos love to make Torque
^^at full spool which at high RPMs of course it would be^^
Est Weight: 2000Lbs (The 1990 HF is 1967lbs from the factory, then weight reduction, then add in the extra engine weight)

1989 Maserati Turbo (DOHC Intercooled V-6)
Horsepower: 200 @ 5,500
Torque: 220 lb.ft @ 3,400
Weight: 3,033 lbs

[Thepeug]

Originally Posted by black89crxLs

Go with a b18 turbo, it will be more wear and tear on ur car to go all motor and put out less HP, and go slower than a turbo will, when u turbo ur motor has to do less wirk to put out more HP, plus every one has a b16 rex, good luck on doing it under 5K though!!!!!!!!

With the mods that he plans to do if he goes all-motor, the all-motor setup would create less wear on the engine than a turbo setup. Adding a turbo is like placing an oven under the hood of the car; not exactly the best idea if you want a long-lasting engine. Then again, if he wants a race-ready car or one to have fun with for a couple of years, I'd go turbo. He'd definitely be faster for the same amount of money.

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by tupacglock

Stripped B18B1 Turbo CRX HF (I/H/E/No Cat)
Est HP: 200hp@6300RPM <-easyily
Est TQ: 170lb-ft@5200RPM <-Turbos love to make Torque
^^at full spool which at high RPMs of course it would be^^
Est Weight: 2000Lbs (The 1990 HF is 1967lbs from the factory, then weight reduction, then add in the extra engine weight)

1989 Maserati Turbo (DOHC Intercooled V-6)
Horsepower: 200 @ 5,500
Torque: 220 lb.ft @ 3,400
Weight: 3,033 lbs

Ah yes, yet another one that has no apprectiation for the finer things in life. And They made other Maseratis, for instance the 2003 Cambiocorsa, which is about 390hp and 333ftlbs. Oh and it's heavy, 3700 lbs, lending to it feeling like your really driving a car.

[tupacglock]

You cant compare an economy car from the late 80s to an exotic car of 2000. Technology has improved quite a bit since then, plus thats like if I compared a 1989 Lamborghini Diablo to an 89 B18B1 CRX HF.
Maserati Corsa and Spyder/Spyder GT are all over 200K If i put 100K into a crx I am sure that it would well pass the specs of the corsa and I would put a tun of suspension upgrades so it would handle better to, then i wuold put a ton of looks upgrades so it would look as cool if not cooler..... then i would take the remaing money and put it into sound and then take the money after that and throw a party...then i woudl just roll in the bit of $$ i wuold have left....

[Thepeug]

Hahaha. What about video games? I'd definitely take the rest and spend it on video games

[jdmcrxhatch]

I would buy an intercooler but i dont know if itll help alot or not

[Ricochet]

Originally Posted by black89crxLs

Go with a b18 turbo, it will be more wear and tear on ur car to go all motor and put out less HP, and go slower than a turbo will, when u turbo ur motor has to do less wirk to put out more HP, plus every one has a b16 rex, good luck on doing it under 5K though!!!!!!!!

Are you high? Adding a turbo increases wear and tear because more air/fuel is being added for hotter/stronger combustions than normally meant for the block no matter how reinforced it is. Turbo Hondas can be very fast, but au-naturale feels so much more direct than having power spool up "beyond" the gas pedal. It's a feeling I never really liked, no matter how fast the car is, and I think I'll stick with my header instead of a snail shell even if I am slower. I will be driving around with the same engine longer than Mr. Boosted.

[black89crxLs]

Originally Posted by Ricochet

Are you high? Adding a turbo increases wear and tear because more air/fuel is being added for hotter/stronger combustions than normally meant for the block no matter how reinforced it is. Turbo Hondas can be very fast, but au-naturale feels so much more direct than having power spool up "beyond" the gas pedal. It's a feeling I never really liked, no matter how fast the car is, and I think I'll stick with my header instead of a snail shell even if I am slower. I will be driving around with the same engine longer than Mr. Boosted.

Sorry to inform you but your wrong in some cases yea uf u boost like 25-30 lbs, mah teachers at Honda/acura tech school, explained that a built all motor will not last as long as a built turbo, because if the fact that your putting more stress on the motor to squeze every lil hp out of the motor, as far as reving higher, hondas make more HP at high rps than they do at lower rpm's, parts are moving faster, hiting harder, and getting hotter that a motor that is turbo, we did a TMT test in class and it showed that a turbo motor the parts on and in a motor are over 75 degrees cooler than a N/A motor with an outside temperature of 78 degrees, with a N/A CAI and front mount inter-coolerin a b18a with a strait T4, turbo motor dosent have to rev as high as N/A to make more HP...........ill get him to email me the class disk he has this info on and ill post in on here..........