What happend to outdoing the Evo??

[Jared_80]

Right after it was anounced that the Lancer was coming to the Stated Subaru promised that anything that mitsubishi coud do they would out do them. When I saw the hp of the STI I thought that it would be faster. It is not. In a recent Motor Trend comparison the Evo smoked the more powerful STi in every event. Slolom, 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad, everything. Does Subaru have any plans to follow through on their word and give us somthing that will beat the Evo??

[Jared_80]

No I assure you that the Lancer beat it in Motor Trends Tests, granted some of that may be due to driver error but not in every event. I was shocked too but look it up for yourself. Any way you look at it the Lancer is the faster (notice I did not say better) car. Subaru better get their act togeather or they are going to loose the AWD sportscar war. I did see one comparason in another magazine that said that the STi was faster but their numbers on the Evo were much slower then what MT published. Personaly I would trust MT before I trusted some two bit out of my moms garage tuner mag anyway.

[MB38]

The numbers are almost always identical. Sometimes the STi wins, sometimes the EVO wins. Blame it on driver error, altitude, temperature, whatever. The cars are, for all intensive purposes, equal. Neither company has to get their act together, both cars are spectacular. Fighting between the EVO and the STi remains a personal opinion battle.

However, I'm quite confused with your first two posts. It's like you're counteracting a post that wasn't posted.

[LjasonL]

He was replying to a post I made that I deleted because it would just lead to a bunch of "nuh uh EVOs faster", "nuh uh STi's faster", "well this magazine ran this" and "well I know a guy whos uncle ran this" crap.

Subaru isn't losing anything. I'll just leave it at that.

Something to remember about Motor Trend tests. They don't actually run the times that they list. They run a slower time, then apply correction factors to try and calculate what the car could have run on an absolutely perfect run. Correction factors and a quarter will get you a cup of coffee IMO. I want to know what you actually ran in the car, not what you think you could run, but they don't tell us that.

[MB38]

SCC, on the other hand, doesn't use correction factors. The Evo barely squeezed out a win. I think it's pretty much a dead argument. One, who cares, and two, so what if you're right? The other person's never going to give you an inch anyways.

[neonrcr95]

They also use professional drivers. If someone like me were to do a 1/4 for both of them the sti would probably be faster.

[kfoote]

one other thing to remember about the 0-60 times...The STi has to make a 2-3 shift before 60 MPH, the EVO does not. For all intents and purposes, the overall performance differences of the two cars boil down to EXACTLY what you are doing with it.

[Saint]

Really, well most sites(car-stats.com) and mags I've seen have the STi running a faster 1/4 mile time and faster slalom.

The STi does lows 13s and high 12s while the EVO does mid-low 13s.

[ragnarok720]

If you want to see which performs better 0-60 and 1/4 mile wise, go to a track and watch them. Everytime i've been out the STi's always come out on top of the evo's. Yes, there are driver errors but o well, that's life and so far what i've noticed is, either people who drive WRX's are better at racing or the EVO's are just slower. Pick either one. Few months back a few STi's and EVo's came out, brand new from the dealership, maybe a few days old and the STI's on average were running 13.5's to 13.7's while the EVO"s at best were running 14.4's to 14.6's. The articles you read in magazines have professional drives doing the tests so dont ever expect to achieve their times. Even in some magazines they pay for their reviews. I did a college report on biased magazines and it happens quite often. It doesnt matter what the mags or other people run in their cars, it matter what YOU run in yours.

[Jared_80]

However, I'm quite confused with your first two posts. It's like you're counteracting a post that wasn't posted.[/quote]


I did that because someone was PMing me and I did not want to send a PM back.

[Jared_80]

Well if thay are a dead even match now then when the Evo RS and VQ330 come out that will put the Evo way in the lead. They say that the type RS is about 200lbs lighter and has a limited slip in the front. It will also cost about 2k less. The VQ330 is said to make 330hp but that one I think is only going to England. The RS will be in the US very soon if it is not here already.

[ragnarok720]

STi has one thing over Evo. It was featured in Hot Rod Magazine this month which says something about it. An import in a domestic magazine because this particula import kicks a lot of a$$.

[F23A4Racer750IL]

the EVO has barely changed since it was introduced in Japan. give the STi time and it will get better than it is already.

[Jared_80]

Originally Posted by F23A4Racer750IL

the EVO has barely changed since it was introduced in Japan. give the STi time and it will get better than it is already.

Barely changed??? What Japan are you talking about? the J-spec RS makes 276hp at the wheels not 271 at the flywheel. Secondly the J-spec RS weighs only around 1200kg (about 2800lbs not 3260lbs like the US spec). That is a 400lbs difference! You call that "barely changed"?!? Also the Jspec has a better center differential, and I beleve that it has a limites slip in the front. If you call that barely changed than what do you call a big change?????? I hope that the STi does get better because I like the reliability of the Subies better than the Evos (though they are not bad) But as it stands right now the Evos are wining the race.

[LjasonL]

JDM EVO's don't make 276 hp at the wheels, that's at the flywheel. And you still haven't said how the EVO is "winning". Some Motor Trend test doesn't mean much to me, in the real world STi's have proven to be pretty even if not faster.