Environmentalism?

[1989 DX R]

When do you have enough of it? I mean, can there be too much? When does it become harmful to human interests? Do rats have feelings too? Are we really killing the Earth? Or is it just overreaction at this point?

[kris]

I like eating nice, thick cuts of steak. Am I going to hell for that? Nope, not where I come from.

[1989 DX R]

You will to just fine here in Texas!

[kris]

Originally posted by kbslacker
I like eating nice, thick cuts of steak. Am I going to hell for that? Nope, not where I come from.

Let me add to that. I am a softy when it comes to animals. I once went hunting with my father. I felt so bad for what I was doing. Since then, I have never been hunting again. I sometimes like to fish however. But when I do, it is always catch and release. I even go as far as catching a damn spider in my house here, and walking it outside. I guess thats just me though.

[1989 DX R]

Well, thats different. Around here, a lot of people go hunting. Its not my thing really, but i have no qualms about eating meat. But i also meant like when people stop building a school or highway for some rare fly or rat or some silly nonsense, or putting insane pollution controls on cars...take global warming...

Its a natural thing for the earth to cool and heat up. Remeber the ice age we had 10000 years ago? Where did all the ice go? It melted. Why? The earth was warming! WOW! Then, it cooled off a few centuries ago. Then it warmed again! Amazing! There is geologic evidence that temperature fluctuations have been occuring ever since the earth was a ball of lava. I admit smog is nasty, and having lived in LA and in Houston, i can tell you it sucks. But, i dont think we are gonna have a meltdown anytime soon.

[SmallTownDiva]

Well, i think that it has been scientifically proven that humans are in fact, destroying the earth. Now, i don't know what your reference to the rats is, but harm done to any animal that does not qualifie as a pest or rodent (i.e. WILD rats) there should be consequences. As for harming the earth, i think it was inevatable because of human nature. Now, that does not mean that we as humans cannot change. Quite the contrary, i believe that change is one quality that makes humans, humans.
This last comment i have is just an example of what i think is going to far. I think an extremist for the feelings of other living things or what not, would be a person who would only eat fruit and vegtables that have died before they get to your plate. So in other words, an apple is killed if it is picked off the tree verses natrual death, as in falling from the tree in it own time.....i don't know if there is such a thing like this out there, but hey....who knows. Just as a side note, i do not, in any way, think poorly of thoses who are vegetarians....at least you guys have the nerve to pick that apple.
With that said, i think i'll go now...........

[YogsVR4]

The scientific evidence is suspect for many reasons - their computer model that they use to "prove" their theories has not been right once. Not ever. These are the same people who twenty years ago were claiming that humans were causing another ice age because the earth had several years of cooling. Scientificly proven. Please bring me a conclusive study that is not paid for by one of the green organizations or affiliated with them. Good luck with that. There are as many studies disproving the claims that people are taking as gospel. Those claims should be suspect as well.

The shear arrogance of humans in believing we can manipulate our environment on a planetary scale so easily.

Heres one that I just loved hearing from the greens. Remember how they claimed we were destroying 10000 acres of rain forest a day several years ago (or similar amounts). Well, the darn thing about that is we should have long run out of rain forest a long time ago. But, there still there.

Can we do better for the environment, absolutely. I dont condone going out of our way to polute and destroy needlessly. I do however balk at the notion that we're causing the ecological destruction of the planet.

[1989 DX R]

Well, define destroying.

I think in terms of using up oil reserves and minerals, probably so. But, i think if we can develope some cheap way of producing electricity (read: nuclear), we can almost fabricate anything with enough energy. Some things puzzle me. Why should humanity be stopped to bend to the "rights" of a fly? Or maybe fish. In Klamath Valley in Oregon, the farmers are losing crops because of drought-like conditions. But this drought was man-made. The water for their fields was turned off so some salmon could go and have sex. Now, i like salmon, but i think there are more important things like feeding humans before we worry about a salmon's sex life. The reason America has so much food is because we have the some of the best farmers in the world. We are also blessed with wide spaces to grow crops. I feel that as Americans we should look out for one of the basic things in human nature, and that is our bellies. If we made all farmers make do like the ones in Oregon, get ready for anorexic America.

[kris]

And devine intervention happens.

[1989 DX R]

sorry KBS, i got my forums phux0rd didnt i?

[kris]

Originally posted by 1989 DX R
sorry KBS, i got my forums phux0rd didnt i?

lol, it's cool. I didnt realise a debate would erupt.

[marc49]

ok, I LOVE this topic..

First of all, we are not destroying this world. In fact because of environmentalist's, we have lost thousands of acres of forests when fires have occured (from natural occurances like lightning).. they wouldn't let people go in and clear out the dead, dry brush to help prevent massive fires if one started.. well all that stuff burned real well


As far as oil goes, with what we have right now, all our oil fields, we have enough to last us over 200 years, that doesn't even include any untapped resources yet, and that is just from the U.S, that's not counting all the oil oversea's.

We will have another ice age, not matter what.. we can't do anything about it, the earths axis has a "wobble" to it.. meaning that our north star today, was not the northstar thousands of years ago.. and thousands of year from now, there will be another north star.. Because of that wobble, our season's will change. right now when it is summer, ( assuming you are on the northern hemisphere) we are the farthest from the sun so our orbit around the sun slows down. as winter comes we are actually closer to the sun as far as our orbit goes and since we are closer to it, our orbit speeds up. Eventually, our summer's will be during our current winter months and vice versa.. since the summer months will be shorter, there won't be enough time to burn the ice created from the longer winters.. so that's how the ice age will begin.. the only place that will probably be "normal" is around the equator..

the only way we could truly fuck up this planet is if we had a full out nuclear war.. other than that, everything else is BULLSHIT!!!

[gang$tarr]

i think most environmentalists are stupid idiots..... not all, but just seems like most of them are lol

Even jesus killed animals for gods sake..... if you're going to kill it to eat it then there's nothing wrong with that
I eat meat almost every single day.... it's just so good

not just the meat thing, there are bunch of stupid ass things they fight for (like greenpeace)

bunch of tree huggers.... lol

no offense to anyone, just my opinion

[Polygon]

Originally posted by YogsVR4
The scientific evidence is suspect for many reasons - their computer model that they use to "prove" their theories has not been right once. Not ever. These are the same people who twenty years ago were claiming that humans were causing another ice age because the earth had several years of cooling. Scientificly proven. Please bring me a conclusive study that is not paid for by one of the green organizations or affiliated with them. Good luck with that. There are as many studies disproving the claims that people are taking as gospel. Those claims should be suspect as well.

The shear arrogance of humans in believing we can manipulate our environment on a planetary scale so easily.

Heres one that I just loved hearing from the greens. Remember how they claimed we were destroying 10000 acres of rain forest a day several years ago (or similar amounts). Well, the darn thing about that is we should have long run out of rain forest a long time ago. But, there still there.

Can we do better for the environment, absolutely. I dont condone going out of our way to polute and destroy needlessly. I do however balk at the notion that we're causing the ecological destruction of the planet.

Ah, beat me to it.

[romoranger]

mark49, and yogsvr4, i agree with you guys to the fullest. i feel that those green peace people are way out of hand. about resources coming out of the earths crust, we have only affected something like 3% of it throughout our existance.they also complain about people moving into areas where there are areas, guess that means there are too many people, huh? if so, i say they should be the first to go...