New GTO????

[86_SR5]

Is there a possibility that the 2004 Pontiac GTO (HSV GTS Holden coupe) become a model? I'd really like one, and considering purchase of a real one in a few years. I guess if there aren't any I'll kitbash a vette and a grand prix coupe and make one.

[EMAXX]

It would be awesome if they make one. I'm sure that Revell will come out with one soon after it is released.

[Jonno]

Actually, it is like the Holden Monaro in Australia, the HSV GTS Coupe is a slightly tuned version by Holden Special Vehicles (HSV).

[86_SR5]

Originally Posted by Jonno

Actually, it is like the Holden Monaro in Australia, the HSV GTS Coupe is a slightly tuned version by Holden Special Vehicles (HSV).

Sorry about that jonno, I was just going by what the HSV GTS coupe and the new GTO's similarities are. Look pretty close to being identical.

[hirofkd]

Do you even accept that car to be called the Pontiac GTO, considering what Ford has done with the 2005 Mustang?
Anyway, it'd be an interesting modeling subject.

[Jonno]

Originally Posted by 86_SR5

Sorry about that jonno, I was just going by what the HSV GTS coupe and the new GTO's similarities are. Look pretty close to being identical.

Ohh, No appologies needed, I was just telling you a bit of useless trivia

[Layla's Keeper]

Originally Posted by hirofkd

Do you even accept that car to be called the Pontiac GTO, considering what Ford has done with the 2005 Mustang?
Anyway, it'd be an interesting modeling subject.

GTO: Fully optioned, incredibly quick, tastefully handsome four seat coupe.

That's how they always have been, and this car is no different. It runs a good quarter, handles like a dream, and stops with incredible force for a car of its heft. Bob Lutz and his group hit the nail on the head with this one, in my opinion, and resurrected an icon without Ford's cheap retro-styling cop-out.

Quite frankly, the '05 Mustang looks more like one of Thom Taylor's throwaway sketches than an actual car. I'm sorry, but it neither pays true homage to the classic style of Mustangs past nor breaks new styling ground on its own.

Too bad, the chassis is supposed to be much more competent than the old.

[pre98zetec]

The new GTO aint nothing but a Rear-Drive Grand Prix. I don't see anything special about that, Chevy is looseing sales so there bringing back the "old" muscle car names thinking to boost sales....


Josh

[Nobbys Nuts]

Originally Posted by Jonno

Actually, it is like the Holden Monaro in Australia, the HSV GTS Coupe is a slightly tuned version by Holden Special Vehicles (HSV).

Yeah and thats its biggest problem. Its just a second rate mongrel built by Holden and shipped to America as a marketing exercise.
Typically of GM Holden here in Australia they had to make a mongrel to race because they couldn't win in any legal category in the world and that was the only way you will get one of those things to handle or stop like a performance car.

[theoldboy]

Originally Posted by Nobbys Nuts

Yeah and thats its biggest problem. Its just a second rate mongrel built by Holden and shipped to America as a marketing exercise.
Typically of GM Holden here in Australia they had to make a mongrel to race because they couldn't win in any legal category in the world and that was the only way you will get one of those things to handle or stop like a performance car.

calm down nobby just cause fords going to get there arse kicked again in the V8 supercars "go murph" .
i would love to see a gto (holden) kit

[Jonno]

Originally Posted by Nobbys Nuts

Yeah and thats its biggest problem. Its just a second rate mongrel built by Holden and shipped to America as a marketing exercise.
Typically of GM Holden here in Australia they had to make a mongrel to race because they couldn't win in any legal category in the world and that was the only way you will get one of those things to handle or stop like a performance car.

Ohh, ford fan I see?

...J/P

[ata]

I would get that model if they make one, as a "non-US-GM-fan". And it's funny how they write about the new GTO in magazines, that it is based on the Holden or it shares the floorplan of the Holden or the same platform, when in reality it just IS the Holden Monaro with LHD and a different front bumper... And the Holden Monaro is the coupe version of Holden Commodore, which is based on Opel Omega, and the Cadillac Catera was also a rebadged Opel Omega, so the people in the USA don't seem to realise, that the new Pontiac GTO is basically a coupe version of the Cadillac Catera with a V8 engine. In every case the roots go to the Opel Omega, which is not even in production anymore.

I have already the diecast 1/18 version of the Holden Monaro (see the diecast-forum here in AF) and the Pontiac GTO would be a nice addition to the collection. Maybe I could try to do a Opel Omega Coupe V8 out from the kit...

[Layla's Keeper]

Originally Posted by sk8ter_in_ny

The new GTO aint nothing but a Rear-Drive Grand Prix. I don't see anything special about that, Chevy is looseing sales so there bringing back the "old" muscle car names thinking to boost sales....


Josh

And if they had just made the Gran Prix rear-wheel drive, would you be happy? And, if I might ask, how does Chevrolet benefit from a Pontiac marketing move?

Keep in mind that the name wasn't Pontiac's in the first place. Recall the original GTO was a Ferrari and that the first Pontiac GTO was nothing more than a hot motor and a cushy interior in a Tempest.

This IS the GTO. A powerful V8 where there usually is a 6 (the Omega platform which is a very competent one from what I've seen and whose next generation will almost definitely spawn the next Camaro) and and a few tweaks to the style. As for platform sharing, lets look back to the GTO's stable mates. Hmmmm...

GM A Bodies.
Buick Gran Sport/Skylark/GSX
Chevrolet Malibu/Chevelle
Oldsmobile Cutlass/442

So the GTO sharing a platform is nothing new. How about engines?

Pontiac 389ci V8 also found in...
Catalina, Gran Prix, 2+2, Bonneville. Engine family includes 326ci engine in Tempest and 421ci engine option in full size cars.

So a shared engine isn't new either. Gasp! Could it be that they aren't doing something sacriligeous? Could it be that General Motors is giving us exactly what the GTO was and always has been?

It is. Stop whining. A great musclecar has returned in such a way that it doesn't detract from its myth, nor does it use cheap knock-off retro styling to lure us into showrooms (like some unmentionable coming generations of musclecar). The new GTO is it's OWN GTO. It's a new car based on another good car.

And, as a parting shot, was there this much bitching when Nissan decided to have the 350Z share a platform with Infiniti's G35 coupe and sedan?

[Nobbys Nuts]

Originally Posted by theoldboy

calm down nobby just cause fords going to get there arse kicked again in the V8 supercars "go murph" .
i would love to see a gto (holden) kit

I agree the kit would be nice especially for hacking up and building a WildBunch or Pro stock car. Lots of possibilities.
And I agree old fella, go Murph especially with limited testing possibilities and if Ambrose loses it will be his own fault for not being agressive enough at Puke. Having to let Ingall through to make a path through the other cars was pathetic and yes I am definitely a Ford fan Jonno but I will be happy to see Murph win as he IS a Kiwi and he is not driving like a wimp. Either way as a Kiwi I will be happy with Murph or Ambrose as champion as it has taken a kiwi team to get the only BAs to the front consistently.

[Peteex]

[quote=Layla's Keeper]....usually is a 6 (the Omega platform which is a very competent one from what I've seen and whose next generation will almost definitely spawn the next Camaro) and ....QUOTE]


A-HA!! I knew that car reminded me of something I've seen before, the Caddy Catera/ Opel Omega twins!!

Any way, I still think it's pretty nice, and complaining about how the 05 mustang breaks no new styling ground, niether does the GTO, infact the reason it doesn't offend me is because it's pretty bland looking.

I took these pics at SEMA last week, it's much better in person, but so is the 05' mustang.