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Old 11-06-2003, 08:40 PM
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Question H22a in a 93 Del Sol


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I'm new here, but I come with a load of questions. I have a 93 Del Sol Si, so it has the D16z6 1.6L SOHC V-TEC, and I hunger for speed. I was thinking that an H22a, bored out, built up, port/polished, balanced and blueprinted, with a Jackson Racing supercharger to top it off would do nicely. But I've been curious if a long block THAT massive would even fit in my little car.
Now, I've heard that I could save myself money and get the same gains out of a B16a.... I have my doubts .... I've also heard, that SPOON parts give amazing power gains, but no-one has defined 'amazing' to me yet. I'd appreciate it if anyone could give me some info.
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Old 11-06-2003, 09:26 PM
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To answer a *few* of your questions.... yes an H22 will fit in your sol... you can even keep your air conditioning. You need prelude engine mounts, though... the D or B series mounts aren't strong enough. If I had my engine of choice (oh wait... I do!), I would go with a b16 block bored out to 1.8 and sleeved (Got bored a few days ago). A stock b16 runs a 15.5-16.0 on a good run. With an intake and exhaust done like I have, along with the bore out, I look to be running a 15.5 regularly, faster on good runs. I like the B series blocks because they fit so SO nicely. If you want more power than a B18, try going for a B20 block and bore it out to 2.2, then add a VTEC head on it. The b20 has MASSIVE amounts of torque, and breaks 100 without even thinking about it. And the VTEC head gives you some more horsepower and quickness. About the Spoon parts, yes they are very good parts, but I don't know if they're any better than any of the other parts in that quality range. I mean come on... an intake is an intake. You can make your own for $60, or you can buy an AEM for $200... both do the same thing, both make the same gains.. Just remember that you get what you pay for. You also have to think about if you want to do N/A or forced induction... turbos are fun... a LOT of fun. Boost is a wonderful thing. When my current engine dies, I'm gonna get a bored out B20 with the VTEC head and turbo it... see what it can do. I personally don't like the H22 just because it is REALLY big... you have less than 1 inch of clearance as you lower it in, which with someone as accident prone as me is saying "I'll take 1 crunched fender, 1 busted headlight, and a snapped off starter please!" I like the B series blocks.. the sol holds them nicely, and done right, a b block can have just as much, if not more, power than an H. Good luck on your decision.
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Old 11-06-2003, 09:59 PM
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I'd probably go with the b series engine. the h22a would weigh down your del sol and you probably need new suspension.. anyone correct me if i'm wrong
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Re: H22a in a 93 Del Sol

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I'd probably go with the b series engine. the h22a would weigh down your del sol and you probably need new suspension.. anyone correct me if i'm wrong
a lot of people who have done this swap into their civics actually enjoy it. many of the poeple had no complaints as far as weght and handling. they said it was like having your 10 year old brother in the passenger seat. as far as handling, if you are going to be going heavy into this swap, you might as well get suspension that will support the weight. i mean people custom springrates all the time. i.e... 600front/675rear for road race. my friend used 800 all around on his rex. handled like it had no shocks at all. it was a very hard ride but boy did he fly through any corner you gave him. eibach custom rates gets praise by me
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Well, I was going to redo the suspension anyway. Though my Sol handles great with just the APC strut bar, I was going to do some Eibach's sportline lowering springs. Along with that, I realize I need new struts, shocks, and probably a chamber kit. To top it off, I'll be going with some anti-sway bars. I won't stop until I can pull 2 or 3 Gs going into a corner. Perhaps it's not realistic...but it's a goal. At anyrate, the more I think about it and the more advice I get on it, the more I lean towards a B18c5. I probably won't get as much horse out of it as I would an H22, but went you consider the power-to-weight ratios, I should get just about the same performance...right?
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Re: H22a in a 93 Del Sol

hey man well the h22 will add a bunch od unneede wighet to your car but it will give u power and speed. but my buddy just put a B16A1 in his del sol and it is quick with that engine and it is lighter than the h22 and prolly for the price of the h22 u could get the B16 and put a turbo on it and that would be so quick b/c the del sol it so light. that would give u cleos to like 350 hp in that lil car so stick with teh B16,
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Hello all!
I'm new here, but I come with a load of questions. I have a 93 Del Sol Si, so it has the D16z6 1.6L SOHC V-TEC, and I hunger for speed. I was thinking that an H22a, bored out, built up, port/polished, balanced and blueprinted, with a Jackson Racing supercharger to top it off would do nicely. But I've been curious if a long block THAT massive would even fit in my little car.
Now, I've heard that I could save myself money and get the same gains out of a B16a.... I have my doubts .... I've also heard, that SPOON parts give amazing power gains, but no-one has defined 'amazing' to me yet. I'd appreciate it if anyone could give me some info.
no h22
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Old 11-12-2003, 10:25 AM
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Re: H22a in a 93 Del Sol

Sorry Darketernal but you need to get different mounts if you want that h22 to fit in your car
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Re: H22a in a 93 Del Sol

yeah you have to get prelude mounts. The H is great for drag racing, because it is a LOT of power. Like I said before, I like B series better. Or if you wanna be REALLY cool, smack an F20 in there. buahahaha.
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Re: H22a in a 93 Del Sol

F20...Accord SiR motor, right? ...I should look into that....
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F20B

but if you do get the h22 swap
get the jdm h22 type-s w/lsd, 220 horses of pure pleasure

i've been in a lot of h22 civic (hatches too) and they don't ride as bad as people say. The handling isn't as bad as people say either...just don't trip too much about it, as long as you get your suspension work done.
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Re: H22a in a 93 Del Sol

F20C1 = S2000 motor. 2.0L with 240 horses stock. RWD. 6 speed. Makes me need new underwear just THINKING about a sol with that in it. One day I will have it... but not for a long time.
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Re: H22a in a 93 Del Sol

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Well, I was going to redo the suspension anyway. Though my Sol handles great with just the APC strut bar, I was going to do some Eibach's sportline lowering springs. Along with that, I realize I need new struts, shocks, and probably a chamber kit. To top it off, I'll be going with some anti-sway bars. I won't stop until I can pull 2 or 3 Gs going into a corner. Perhaps it's not realistic...but it's a goal. At anyrate, the more I think about it and the more advice I get on it, the more I lean towards a B18c5. I probably won't get as much horse out of it as I would an H22, but went you consider the power-to-weight ratios, I should get just about the same performance...right?
2 or 3 G's huh. right

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that would give u cleos to like 350 hp
lol that is alittle unrealistic isn't it? I would think it would be more like 230-250 with stock internals and hondata.
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Re: H22a in a 93 Del Sol

Does the B20/B16 or B18 combo fit into the Sol, or do you need to buy new mounts for these also?
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anything fits into anything if you got the money.
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