murcielago is underpowered

[grey_wolf_18200]

Hi everyone im new here. The murcielago obviously isnt underpowered. Its just i feel that with lamborghinis experience with the diablo vttt and with their hugely powerful marine engines they could have made a much more powerful machine and made the murci the best performing production car out there. As it stands there are a few worthy rivals- the zonda, edonis and enzo to name a few. I would appreciate your thoughts.

[spare_me_a_murci]

I understand your point... but you forget some of Lamborghini goals:

- the car must have almost ultimate performance whilst being smooth and realible - so the 580 bhp engine is just fine.

- it's a super sports car but with luxury and road driveability too - so it can't be a Zonda

- and for it's level of performance and luxury it has superb value - pratically costs one third of the Enzo - and it's performance certainly doesn't lack much behind

- lamborghini always kept away from turbo chargers (in production models)... maybe to increase reliability (as turbos increase maintenance and stress the engine more) or just because they can make big powerfull engines without it! Think about it... how many sports cars are able to do 580 bhp without turbos?

[spare_me_a_murci]

oh... but the vttt is a dream anyway!!

http://www.lambocars.com/framed/diablo/vttt.htm

[grey_wolf_18200]

your right. For the cost it is exceptional. i think ill wait until ive driven something with that much power before asking for more! thank for your replies.

[raven1822]

It is not so much that the Murci needs more power, it needs to go on a diet. There was a very good article in EVO, an interview with Gordan Murry. He of course is the creator of the Mclaren. He simply says the today cars are to fat. Car makers are trying to make up for the weight by adding more power i.e. Mercedes Benz. He stated that true sports car should be rear wheel drive, naturally aspirated, and light as possible. He states that the car that closely resembles the ideals of the Mclaren F1 today is the Zonda C12s.

I tend to agree with him as most car buffs, myself included still feel the Mclaren F1 to be greatest car ever produced. Regardless Lamborghini is still my favorite.

[Cabbie]

Honestly I think amoung the modern supercars you can get today, the murci is the best value. As Spare me said its so much less than a Enzo and although Pagani Zonda is a fantastic car it is also around twice as expensive as the Murci.

[raven1822]

Originally Posted by Cabbie

Honestly I think amoung the modern supercars you can get today, the murci is the best value. As Spare me said its so much less than a Enzo and although Pagani Zonda is a fantastic car it is also around twice as expensive as the Murci.

I agree.

[palopagani]

"- it's a super sports car but with luxury and road driveability too - so it can't be a Zonda"
ha... the Zonda is great on the road ..so i hear rivals handling of the Elise.. also its interior is fully climate controlled, leather etc.. in fact u can customize it

[spare_me_a_murci]

yes.. in fact you're right... I had the wrong idea about Zonda's interior, but after cheking it out.. it isn't bad at all... but even still no Lamborghini!

but when I mentioned road driveability... I was not talking about how well it handled, but how it adapts to normal (as in not a race track) roads... remember that not all roads are plain tarmac!
also the car is always compared as a race car: (from supercars.net)

"When considering the Zonda, it is hard not to compare it to the Ferrari Enzo. Both cars have a carbon fiber monocoque with a mid ship, V12 driving the rear wheels. Easily, the Ferrari still has many advantages. It wins in shifting, braking, aerodynamics and handling. Remember, these are the most important aspects concerning a race car. Despite that, the Zonda wins based on price and build quality (especially in the carbon fiber department). Both exclusive cars sprint to 60 mph in roughly the same time so you 0-60 junkies can call the cars 'even'."


but this frase says it all: (also from supercars.net)

"Horacio Pagani is the man behind the Zonda. With experience gained by working at Lamborghini, he brought the Zonda C12 into fruition."

[palopagani]

yes i also mean road drivability...(it is way dif from race driving/handling) ... i have read a review.. i believe from EVO magazine..not sure... road drivability awesome..even on twisted mountain roads and in rain..on the road.
As for comparison to ENZO they are almost level.. i personally like styling of Zonda way better ENZO interior sucks tho. the top speeds are very similar...

[Sean]

Road drivabilty is usually defined has how easy it is to drive the car under a varity of conditions, for example heavy traffic. If the clutch is really stiff, it would be more difficult to drive it slowly in traffic that frequently stops that a car with a soft clutch.

From what I have read, the Murcilago's clutch is quite soft for a car of it's class, much softer than it predecessors.

[TimSalewsky]

I think that I would rather have a softer clutch in any and all conditions. To me it's just a whole lot easier and I can keep more of my attention to the road and manipulating the car through turns etc.