Adding swaybar Q's

[ZC4ME]

Hey all, is there any company out there that has an add on sway bar kit for the 4G HB. I have a 91 STD that obviously did not come equipped with sways. I know I have seen ST bars for the 5G that comes with brackets that mount to the rear lower control arms and provide a mounting point for the bar. I know there are other options such as using factory parts off of different models, but I would like to know if any aftermarket kits are available. TIA.

peace
Griff

[ci5ic]

Originally Posted by ZC4ME

Hey all, is there any company out there that has an add on sway bar kit for the 4G HB. I have a 91 STD that obviously did not come equipped with sways. I know I have seen ST bars for the 5G that comes with brackets that mount to the rear lower control arms and provide a mounting point for the bar. I know there are other options such as using factory parts off of different models, but I would like to know if any aftermarket kits are available. TIA.

peace
Griff

Yeah, the Si's came with sway bars that you can use...

Lots of companies make them for the 4G...

I had a Neuspeed rear anti-sway bar, but it got stolen, and haven't replaced it yet, but I'll probably just go with a front bar since our cars are more apt to under-steer, but knowing me, I'll probably do both.

[BullShifter]

FWD cars have under-steer. A larger front sway or front sway only will increase unwanted under-steer. Adding a rear w/ front will make the car neutral, stock front/larger rear than stock will create more over-steer, & removing the front sway & installing a large rear sway will yield the best handling - over-steer.

FWD benefits from rear sway
RWD benefits from front sway

Get the ST sway bar kit(front/rear) It comes with all needed hardware & the rear bar mounts to the lower strut mounts - the rear is also 6-way adjustable & you WILL feel a difference between the settings, keep in mind sway bars won't funtion fully without the right springs/shocks & tires. I have the ST bars, I didn't like the handling with the front bar so I use the stock front(poly bushings/end links) & ST rear - sometimes removing the front bar. I recommend a lower rear tie bar when using a larger rear sway - also upper ties wouldn't be a bad idea(functional ones)

[ci5ic]

Originally Posted by jackasssi

FWD cars have under-steer. A larger front sway or front sway only will increase unwanted under-steer. Adding a rear w/ front will make the car neutral, stock front/larger rear than stock will create more over-steer, & removing the front sway & installing a large rear sway will yield the best handling - over-steer.

FWD benefits from rear sway
RWD benefits from front sway

That is the exact opposite of what I've heard... The way I understood it was that having a front sway-bar on a FWD car would help keep the wheels firmly planted on the ground during cornering, which would limit the likelyhood of under-steer/slippage... That's what I've heard from just about everyone on this board...

[pm5]

You should pick up the Honda Peformance Handbook (www.hondabook.com)... theres all kinds of stuff in there about suspensions and such... it said something about adding a thicker Integra rear sway bar to dial out understeer. I was surprised since i thought it would be the other way around (thicker bar in front).

[BullShifter]

Originally Posted by ci5ic

That is the exact opposite of what I've heard... The way I understood it was that having a front sway-bar on a FWD car would help keep the wheels firmly planted on the ground during cornering, which would limit the likelyhood of under-steer/slippage... That's what I've heard from just about everyone on this board...

On FWD cars, the large bar goes on the rear, not the front. Because the driving wheels are at the front of the car, you want increased roll stiffness at the rear. This improves traction at the driving wheels and reduces understeer which FWD set-ups almost ALWAYS have. A sway bar or larger one would be used at the front of FWD car only if the rear wheel lifts during steady cornering, and if the car leans too much. Front sways add more roll stiffness to the front, which reduces rear suspension weight transfer in a turn. This delays or eliminates lifting one of the drive wheels, and may create an understeering by increasing the loading on the outside of the front tires.

Most production cars use a sway bar, usually in the front, but they are a compromise for average driving conditions. This means the sway is stiff enough to limit roll to acceptable point if the car is driven "normally". If harder driving is the normal operating condition for the car, typical OEM sways are not stiff enough. They allow so much roll that on a car with independent suspension the tires may operate at a positive camber angle in a turn. Stiffer/larger front sway make the car unpredictable. A car that rolls less is a lot more fun to drive. Cars are designed to understeer because it's "safer" if you were to lose control.I could type a 5 page thing about sway bars on FWD, but I think this should do . . . . RWD is COMPLETELY opposite.