Remote start installation on a manual

Ricochet · #1 10-22-2003, 02:23 PM

I want one of these things, especially for the winter, so I don't have to sit in a cold car for the first 10 minutes of the drive to work. I know my electronics 101 but what I don't know is how to hook these up to a manual. I never leave it in gear when I park so that's not a problem, but as far as starting it without clutch engagement, how do you bypass that? Do they sell manual and automatic kits separately? I'll only spend about $100-$150... are they that cheap?

Myjunkistight · #2 10-22-2003, 04:34 PM

I think they only make them for automatics, because your ecu will only start the car if it "knows" that the clutch is pushed in by your tranny. Not really sure how this works, but I don't think you will be able to get one for a manual. Cause even if they could bypass the ecu code then you would have to leave your car in neutral all the time.

Ricochet · #3 10-22-2003, 04:39 PM

You don't know what you're talking about. They do technically only make them for autos, but I have a couple friends with remote starters on their 5spd but didn't get it done through a shop, one of their friends did it.

Myjunkistight · #4 10-22-2003, 04:46 PM

Well then why the hell did you ask if they sell manual and automatic kits separatly?
And I was right about the ecu having to "know" when your clutch is engaged, that's why you can't use an automatic ecu with a 5spd transmission.

ponchonutty · #5 10-22-2003, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricochet

I want one of these things, especially for the winter, so I don't have to sit in a cold car for the first 10 minutes of the drive to work. I know my electronics 101 but what I don't know is how to hook these up to a manual. I never leave it in gear when I park so that's not a problem, but as far as starting it without clutch engagement, how do you bypass that? Do they sell manual and automatic kits separately? I'll only spend about $100-$150... are they that cheap?

Yeah, there are some out there. Take a look at these. This place has some for manual and auto. http://www.a1electric.com/alarm2.htm

I like the DEI stuff myself but they do not make one labled for a manual. The ones that are for manual usually have to have you do a stupid ritual to get them to start like this.... When you are ready to exit the car, put the car's parking brake on, put it into neutral, press the remote start buttons, exit the vehicle, shut the door, lock it, then press the remote start again. The vehicle will start remotely as much as you want until a door has been opened. If a door has been opened, then you have to repeat the above again.

To me that sounds like a pain!!! So, jsut slap on the DEI unit and forget about it. The clutch switch will be nothing. Some either have to see ground, 12+, or nothing at all. I think yours has to see a ground signal. You can either use a relay to send the signal or just rip out the switch like most idiots do.

BullShifter · #6 10-23-2003, 02:15 AM

I had a remote start on my Si for while, its wasn't worth it since the clutch switch was bypassed. My vette almost got hit, thank god the car was facing the other & not in reverse. Another bad story with remote start & manual trans - My buddied toolbox got hit by car a with switch bypassed & caused all types of damage. The owner of the car had to replace a brand new Snap-On box($3500) & he's lucky no one was standing there, plus the damages & repairs to his car.

Get the correct stuff if your gonna do it.

rubix777 · #7 10-23-2003, 02:18 AM

Yeah, I have a friend that did it to his protege. He bypassed both clutch sensors and the ebrake sensor too. I don't remember which brand alarm he got but it was pretty cool. It beeps and vibrates if the shock sensor is triggered from a mile away.

Miataracer · #8 10-23-2003, 03:01 AM

The DEI remote starters are nice... decent enough range and fairly simple. I don't see any reason why one wouldn't work on a manual. You would have to bypass the clutch switch. I think you can see it right up near the top of the arm for the clutch pedal. You would have to be insanely careful though to make sure the car is out of gear and the parking brake is on or you could end up with the problems previously mentioned...

ponchonutty · #9 10-23-2003, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Miataracer

The DEI remote starters are nice... decent enough range and fairly simple. I don't see any reason why one wouldn't work on a manual. You would have to bypass the clutch switch. I think you can see it right up near the top of the arm for the clutch pedal. You would have to be insanely careful though to make sure the car is out of gear and the parking brake is on or you could end up with the problems previously mentioned...

Yeah, what you can do is use the e-brake wire as your safety nuetral wire on the remote starter. That way it will not start unless it "sees" that the e-brake is on. It still leaves chance but as long as you are the only one operating it and remember what to do, I do not see a problem. I have done it before.

Plasmex · #10 10-24-2003, 02:05 AM

hmm.. I could get one..
i had a tranny swap and my car starts with the clutch in and the clutch out :P
lol

ponchonutty · #11 10-24-2003, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Plasmex

hmm.. I could get one..
i had a tranny swap and my car starts with the clutch in and the clutch out :P
lol

Didn't matter if the switch worked or not, it is so easy getting past that switch. To do it the lazy way, just unplug the switch like what happened when you had your tranny swap done.

Ricochet · #12 10-24-2003, 08:40 AM

Where exactly is this switch

ponchonutty · #13 10-24-2003, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ricochet

Where exactly is this switch

Right on the pedal. If you ever crawled up there you'd see it. It is located and mounted just the the brake switch.

whiteracer · #14 10-24-2003, 04:27 PM

As i write this I'm getting a DEI Viper 791XV installed. It's got the remote starter but my car's a manual. When i gave it to them they said "we'll see what we can do" regarding the auto start and manual tranny. These guys are genius', they've managed to put a new head unit in and keep my factory keyless entry. Not that hard to do, even though Honda says if you replace the stock head unit you lose the stock keyless entry. They've also moved that head unit to the lower DIN and wired up a 7" flip out monitor that is hooked up to a tv antenna. I hope they figure out a safe way to get the remote starter to work. This alarm also has a turbo timer and a bunch of other goodies, but no my car's not turbo'd, yet. DEI is good stuff, though usually they're not compatible with manual trannys.

whtteg · #15 10-24-2003, 04:52 PM

There are manual remote start kits out there. What you have to do is if you want to use the remote start then you have to press the clutch in like 3 times or some crazy thing like that before you get out of the car, so that you are reminded to take the car out of gear. Also you do this when you park the car and then when you get ready to start the car with the remote then you are set. They are more expensive though, I would just wire the ebrake switch to the unit as the neutral saftey switch like prevously noted and cut in a switch to the clucth switch so that when you filp the switch it will bypass the clutch switch and you are reminded to leave the car in e neutral b/c you will have just flipped that bypass switch, just associate the 2 with each other. Is my post understandable? let me know if you have any questions

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