damn you honda

98-integra · #1 10-12-2003, 10:06 PM

what the hell is honda waiting on? why wont they come out with a sport compact with a turbo or a car that stock can run with srt-4 neons? it doesnt have to be turboed but how the hell do they think there going to keep people buying ther cars if for 20k you can buy a turbocharged neon with 227hp what do they have for us an rsx-s 200hp 25k or a civic hb 160hp 20k im not by any means saying these cars are bad but for 5k less you can get a car that is turboed and that can beat the rsx-s now for the s2000 i love the car i love the look and the power (247hp i think) but i dont have 33kto buy one and if i did why not save 13k and get a srt-4 now i know that there is a big differents between honda and dodge but come on give us something for those damn neon does anyone else feel like this or is it just me?

sideshowrich · #2 10-12-2003, 10:53 PM

I feel your pain. Honda keeps denying the sale of a Type R in the US, while other manufacturers are releasing some great cars here, the WRX, STI and Evolution for example. The new civic SI isn't bad, but I too would rather buy an SRT-4 for the same price. The S2000 is sweet, but its a bit expensive, and for that price, I could get an STI and spank it. I think if honda built a factory turbo, and priced it competitively, it would sell. What would really turn heads would be a sweet RWD sport coupe, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

If anyone at honda that has any pull is reading this, then get a clue and give us something worth buying. You are losing a good portion of the sport compact market to these other manufacturers. Yes, the honda aftermarket is great, but people want something fast right from the dealership. And I would buy one if you guys had the balls to build one.....

Ace$nyper · #3 10-12-2003, 11:34 PM

god forget teh SRT-4 i want see honda pump out a AWD rally stlye car that pwns teh EVO and STI for less then them and i know you guys can pull it off!

B16EJ1 · #4 10-12-2003, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 98-integra

what the hell is honda waiting on? why wont they come out with a sport compact with a turbo or a car that stock can run with srt-4 neons? it doesnt have to be turboed but how the hell do they think there going to keep people buying ther cars if for 20k you can buy a turbocharged neon with 227hp what do they have for us an rsx-s 200hp 25k or a civic hb 160hp 20k im not by any means saying these cars are bad but for 5k less you can get a car that is turboed and that can beat the rsx-s now for the s2000 i love the car i love the look and the power (247hp i think) but i dont have 33kto buy one and if i did why not save 13k and get a srt-4 now i know that there is a big differents between honda and dodge but come on give us something for those damn neon does anyone else feel like this or is it just me?

You obviously do not grasp what is great about Honda. The fact that Honda prides itself on laying down such high hp per liter motors NA is what makes them great. If you let that slip your mind then why do you even own a Honda? If you want something cheap then get a Dodge. So Dodge slapped a turbo on a 2.0 litre and got those numbers. The S2K has the same size motor w/ no turbo and lays down more. If you can't grasp the concept then you do not deserve to even touch the S2K. Not to mention the fact that the SRT-4 is the first boosted 4 banger Dodge has manufactured. We'll see how dependable the car is within the next 5 years. Show me any other auto company that has produced 1.8 liter that can lay down 200hp or a 1.6 that can lay down 185. You want boost? Buy a different brand of car. You want cheap boost? Buy a Dodge. Damn you Honda? No damn you. I consider myself a purist and all this talk is BLASPHEMY.

jcrx · #5 10-13-2003, 01:15 AM

Damn B16EJ1 laying the smack down!!!!.

But yea, Honda doesn't feel the need to compete with things like the SRT-4, why would they. Shit I tell you what, lets do a race from coast to coast, full speed, and see who rides back with who, I'll give you a SRT-4, I'll take my hatch.

GScivic7 · #6 10-13-2003, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by B16EJ1

You obviously do not grasp what is great about Honda. The fact that Honda prides itself on laying down such high hp per liter motors NA is what makes them great. If you let that slip your mind then why do you even own a Honda? If you want something cheap then get a Dodge. So Dodge slapped a turbo on a 2.0 litre and got those numbers. The S2K has the same size motor w/ no turbo and lays down more. If you can't grasp the concept then you do not deserve to even touch the S2K. Not to mention the fact that the SRT-4 is the first boosted 4 banger Dodge has manufactured. We'll see how dependable the car is within the next 5 years. Show me any other auto company that has produced 1.8 liter that can lay down 200hp or a 1.6 that can lay down 185. You want boost? Buy a different brand of car. You want cheap boost? Buy a Dodge. Damn you Honda? No damn you. I consider myself a purist and all this talk is BLASPHEMY.

Actually, the SRT-4 has a 2.4L engine and yah, I bet the entire motor and turbo setup was molded out of plastic to gain the $19,995 price tag. I still wouldn't mind having one around to just completely beat on, they are pretty fast.

diegoaccord · #7 10-13-2003, 12:17 PM

Woah, someone needs to take a chill pill. Im a Honda person, and probably know the most shit in here. You know, it helps to know about other stuff tha just Hondas. You would then know that Dodge has made plenty of turbo cars, and with success, I might add, and the SRT is the first in about 10 years. Omni GHL-S? Unassuming little piece of shit ran low 15's in the mid 80's, Daytona Shelby-As in Carroll Shelby? Shadow CSX? Spirit R/T? And comparing the S2000 to the SRT? There is a $13,000 difference I believe. Compare the SRT to the Civic Si, since they cost 20K.

As far as laying numbers. SR16VE, beats Honda by 5 HP. Nissan. 190 HP, 1.6 liter.

But, given 20K, id get a white used 2002 RSX-S, and make it into a Integra Type R.

jcrx · #8 10-13-2003, 12:53 PM

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Im a Honda person, and probably know the most shit in here. You know, it helps to know about other stuff tha just Hondas.

Damn dude, try not being so full yourself, makes you sound like a moron, besides I've seen you thrashed here, and on another board because you tried to act like you knew something, and found out you didn't know nearly as much as you wish you did.

crxlvr · #9 10-13-2003, 01:02 PM

honda is a good manufactuer of high hp vehicles, but they simply cannot compete at the same cost level that the other car makers are putting them out for. 227hp at 20k is amazing, the SRT-4 is very quick and not nearly the first turbo dodge has ever made, even the turbo caravan was pretty quick. the s2k needs a nice SC on it for less money then the 32k price tag so it can compete, at least closer to the EVO and STI.

B16EJ1 · #10 10-13-2003, 01:17 PM

You are correct about one thing. I actually forgot about the fugly ass Nissan Pulsar. The engine is bad ass. But the blue top has 175hp and the red top has 197hp so yeah they do have Honda beat. As far as Turbo Dodges being a success.

You can count on one hand how many cars are still on the road and for good reason. Oh and the simple fact that you are one of those losers who compare cars by prices and not classes discredits EVERYTHING you claim to know. Yay, for you knowing absolutely too much about nothing at all.

Ricochet · #11 10-13-2003, 01:33 PM

Neons rarely last 60k miles as is, adding a turbocharger to that won't exactly prolong its lifespan... And about the $20k pricetag, all I can say is you get what you pay for. My '00 hatch was $13k new, no options or anything. A $4k engine has brought her to life, and I'd rather have 185hp from a 1.6L than 227hp from a messily-engineered 2.4L turbocharged piece of plastic. Dodge has .8L and compressed air on their side, and what do they create from that? 40 unreliable hp... wow. Oh yeah, then there's the price difference in insurance which I won't even try to compare.

98-integra · #12 10-13-2003, 03:04 PM

1st off i want to say i do own a honda but thats beside the point. like i sayed before im not saying honda are bad cars and im not saying they should come out with something turboed but it sucks that a pos neon can beat any stock civic,integra,or rsx. i know that the s2000 has a smaller engine and it has more hp but it cost 13k more for what 20 more hp i just think thats BS. beside who gives a crap if honda has a 1.8 with 200hp it still cant beat the neon all im really saying is i think they should step up to the plate i really dont see honda coming out with any FI car because i dont think they have ever had one and i know thats not what they are about they like the N/A motors but way wont they just come out with a car thats can run with a neon for around the same price i think alot of you missed the point i just really wanted to know what they are waiting on. oh yea about a neon not making it to 60k miles my cheap ass dad has a 95 neon with 156k miles and there isnt anything wrong with it so dont say that a neon will break down after 60k also from what ive seen and heard about the neon some mag took it apart and said it was put together really well and they where very surpised that dodge had some really good parts already in it

Ricochet · #13 10-13-2003, 03:23 PM

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oh yea about a neon not making it to 60k miles my cheap ass dad has a 95 neon with 156k miles and there isnt anything wrong with it so dont say that a neon will break down after 60k

Not in Ohio where it snows one day, and is 85 the next.. dirty, rusty cars run rampant around here.

98-integra · #14 10-13-2003, 03:34 PM

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Not in Ohio where it snows one day, and is 85 the next.. dirty, rusty cars run rampant around here.

yea but come on thats not dodge's fault if your weather is f**ked up dude i know neon suck. it just you all think im trying to talk shit about honda and im not

diegoaccord · #15 10-13-2003, 03:35 PM

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Damn dude, try not being so full yourself, makes you sound like a moron, besides I've seen you thrashed here, and on another board because you tried to act like you knew something, and found out you didn't know nearly as much as you wish you did.

When did this happen here, and when/what is the other site? My thing is dont bash on all other shit when you dont know anything, about other Honda's, and especially other makes. Ive gotten into an argument about 94+ Integra's having SOHC carb, then we were going into other stuff, all of which I was correct about, then someone showed me the Honda Jap site, saying "we know all that too", and Im like "fine, then why are you arguing!?" Although I got my info from a couple of years into the scene, that site CONFIRMED all the stuff I know is correct, so I wouldnt call that "being thrashed". And besides, I know about more than Honda's, which you probably dont. So, unless you are ASE certified, and know the vast amount on ALL cars that I do, your words mean little to nothing. And Ive NEVER been proven wrong on this board, or any other. I remember you being a cool guy, what bit you in the ass?

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