GSR,loser car? I want to smoke STI's and stangs!

[xsimpleaznx]

Aight, I went to the runs Sat night, and there was this silver STI just smoking everybody. I mean that guy was running things that night. He had the big Blitz intercooler peaking out and was getting props from everybody. And I was thinking to myself, man, I wanna pull up next to that guy someday and make his jaw drop with a little PSHHH from a BOV.

Now I have a 95 GSR with about 70k on the engine. After studying AF for a while I learned the harsh reality that turbo is best on an LS. Now turbo is possible on any car, but the GSR's vtec motor can only handle 8psi which is 4 short of the LS's 12psi motor. And that the Vtec cam lobes are not suited for turbo. So wait, when i bought my car i spent the extra money to get a GSR over an LS thinking that this thing was king of the street. But I find myself getting smoked by hatchbacks with b16's? This SUCKS. But still, I want that turbo. And I want to smoke that STI.

1. I was thinking of getting a T3 Turbo, cause that sounds like a decent size, and for a minute i was considering getting a premade kit like Greddy or something but those come with 18g turbos or something , so thats smaller right? Faster spool, but a lot less power in general right?

2. Those of you with custom turbo setups in GSRs, how much did you guys spend around? I want an intercooler too, so Im thinking that altogether its gonna cost roughly $2500 for everything? How much do shops charge to install turbo kits? Any recommends out in the Bay Area?

3. I plan to run only about 8psi of boost because I dont want to upgrade internals cause i heard that gets expensive. So all I really need is the manifold, turbo, downpipe, piping to throttlebody, and intercooler? whats an FMU? why do i need hondata? stock injectors ok? Will i be able to smoke an STI with a t3 turbo and intercooler?

I wanna bring the GSR back! Help me out peeps

[boostlee]

turbo kits are good because they come with everything and you can aways upgrade later to a custom turbo.

my cousin had a gsr with a drag turbo kit, tuned weel it pushed 270WHP and ran 13.1 @ 107mph on street tires with low tire pressure.

as long as you dyno tune after you put on the drag kit, you can assure reliability and power.

[Ace$nyper]

CRVtec LSVtec custom turbo t3/4 Drag kit they are a few good ideas.

[whtteg]

Ok
1. A T3/T4 hybrid would be a good choice, and it will allow you to up the boost later when you decide to build the internals.

2. $2500 would be enough to buy all the parts if you look in the right places.

3. Hondata is the best option for boosted hondas. A FMU is a fuel managment unit. The hondata will be enough along with some 440cc injectors, you don't need a FMU. Also the injectors are a moust to upgrade if you want to do this right.


so parts list is manifold,turbo,piping,intercooler,hondata, 440cc injectors,bov, waste gate, and alot of tunning.

[xsimpleaznx]

i dont want to do CRVtec or LS/Vtec cause i bought a GSR for its engine. I know the others are better for turbo, but i hate the fact that i spent more for the better model only to downgrade later? anyways, i plan to get most of my stuff off of ebay cause thats the cheapest place i can think of. i see that stoneracing guy or ssautochrome whatever sell stainless manifolds and downpipes for roughly 200-275. those look pretty decent? and im guessing just grab some kind of garrett turbo? or that same guy offers a manifold,downpipe,turbo package for about 400-600, is that decent? is intercooler brand name essential? ive seen some that look pretty nice for about 200, and im guessing those are no name branders. and all the piping would have to be custom made at the shop since im piecing together the kit right? also the injectors are just plug and play arent they? so tuning is just droppin my car on a dyno and adjusting the hondata or whatever til its at optimum operation? arent dyno runs expensive? any suggestions for good shops around the bay area and price ranges would be really helpful. i have no idea where i would get this thing installed. a distant possibility is Modacar or Motorsport Techniques cause theyre pretty big companies, but im assuming their prices are pretty crazy. im used to ebay prices, like 150 for a new brand name intake instead of the 250 a shop would try to charge for the same thing. so my budget is a factor here. any backyard mechanics ever install their own turbo? gotta tap the oil pan or whatever right? im pretty sure im not good enough to do all that drilling or whatever, bolt on i can probably figure out but custom piping etc is most likely a shop cause they have the right tools. oh yeah what kinda power can i expect with just running 8psi for now? any integras out there been beating STI's? lemme know what you got under the hood to achieve that...

[whtteg]

This is what you need
They can be had for around $75-110. you can contact Dayton Imports they carry them and they are $99 the last time I checked. Also you have to match the turbo to the manifold, there are differnet manifolds for different turbos. I would go with a T3 or a T3/T4 hybrid. And yes these are Garret turbos.

[Import_fantasy]

What was the STi running?

[xsimpleaznx]

whtteg, what is that thing? i have no idea what it is. i think the sti was just exhaust and bov, maybe upgraded intercooler, should be about it. but stock sti is 300hp about right? would a drag gen 2 kit or the greddy kit be enough to smoke that? i think the drag gen 2 is a t3/t4 hybrid and the greddy is like an 18g? so thats pretty weak huh?.. but im only gonna be able to boost about 6psi to be safe until i can afford to upgrade internals, i read on another forum somewhere that with just an upgraded head gasket you can boost up to about 12-15psi? is that true? or will i not be able to do anything until i drop the compression of the gsr motor with some rods or whatever?

[Import_fantasy]

No i meant what quarter mile times? or were u not racing at a track?

[whtteg]

Originally Posted by xsimpleaznx

whtteg, what is that thing? i have no idea what it is. i think the sti was just exhaust and bov, maybe upgraded intercooler, should be about it. but stock sti is 300hp about right? would a drag gen 2 kit or the greddy kit be enough to smoke that? i think the drag gen 2 is a t3/t4 hybrid and the greddy is like an 18g? so thats pretty weak huh?.. but im only gonna be able to boost about 6psi to be safe until i can afford to upgrade internals, i read on another forum somewhere that with just an upgraded head gasket you can boost up to about 12-15psi? is that true? or will i not be able to do anything until i drop the compression of the gsr motor with some rods or whatever?

It is for your oil line. It screws on to where your oil filter goes and then you screw your oil filter on to it. And presto you have a tap for the oil line to feed the turbo. Also upgraded head gasket is not enough to run 12-15psi safely. The real consern is detonation and the strength of the rods and pistons, you can break ring lands, wrist pins, rods etc. Good tunning with a hondata and you could go 12psi at the track, but sooner or later it will catch up to you. My advice is to build a custom kit if you know enough to do so or buy a drag kit. Then get a hondata and have it tuned. Then when you get the money you can put new rods, lower compression forged pistons, and a good head gasket with some ARP head bolts. Whatever you do if you ever take the head off the car DO NOT reinstall the stock head bolts. ARP head bolts are not that exspensive so go with those. And you would have to buy new stock bolts anyway so ARP is the way to go. I would not worry about reslevving the block unless you are planning on something over 15psi.

[billab2ong]

dont take advice from people who arent turboed and run NA. turbo costs more than $2500.

if you want to learn how to turbo...you really should read instead of just making a post answered about 50 times before. dont buy a fucking kit...they suck and their manifolds are for shit. not to mention some of the shit they use in the kits suck. buy it piece by piece and you will get more performance for less money

and anyone that runs a FMU is an idiot and wastes their money

225 fuel pump + 440/450cc injectors + uberdata + tuning= good fuel management.

list of all this shit you will need:

$310 Garrett Super 60 T3 Turbo
$300-500 Manifold
$200 Tial Wastegate
$100-200 BOV
$100 Chip Burner and all that stuff needed for uberdata
$100 Dyno time for tuning
$100 IC Piping
$350 FMIC
$50 Downpipe
$105 Etech cutout
$30-50 cut out and reducers
$350 Clutch
$50 Boost Gauge
$120 EGT Gauge
$30-50 Cluster for Gauges
$100 Fuel pump
$150-300 450cc Injectors
$100 for oil lines and adapters and t's

and still need vacuum lines, silcone tubing, and an air filter

[90CRXZCSi]

just think that you can spend half the money that an STi did and you could smoke him. I also see turbo kits on ebay goin for $2500 all day long...

[xsimpleaznx]

i have read many many af threads about the turbo route, and i know some of these questions have been asked before but there were some little details that i wanted to make sure exactly. of course every opinion has been ls turbo over gsr, but the sound of a nice bov just seduces me and i always look up to see it coming from a subaru or some other stock turbo car. i know there are tons of turbo honda/acuras out there but ive rarely ever seen them out on the streets of the bay area. anyways, my main concern was pricing, just really wanted to know how much people were spending out there. a lot of people say custom turbo is best perfromance, or a drag kit to make it easy and good enough power. nobody seems to support the greddy kit. yeah and it would be nice to smoke an sti and spend about 18k less than they did. will the t3/to4 turbo do the job? at 6-8psi? because any turbo could smoke somebody if theyre pushing a lot of pounds right? i hear other forums saying their going for 15-24psi on their honda, those gotta be track cars right? that much boost cant be too streetable can it? this is my daily driven car so i wanted something that drives pretty normal but will take off when i push on the gas. know what i mean? hey whtteg, so with that oil thing, i just plug it in and connect to the turbo? so no need to drill into anything else? i notice that ur ls is na and mostly basic mods but u know a lot about turbos, are u smoking a lot of cars with ur current set up? just curious what a na honda with basic bolt ons is capable of. some people with crx /zc motor told me they smoke wrx all day long.

[whtteg]

Originally Posted by billab2ong

dont take advice from people who arent turboed and run NA. turbo costs more than $2500.

if you want to learn how to turbo...you really should read instead of just making a post answered about 50 times before. dont buy a fucking kit...they suck and their manifolds are for shit. not to mention some of the shit they use in the kits suck. buy it piece by piece and you will get more performance for less money

and anyone that runs a FMU is an idiot and wastes their money

225 fuel pump + 440/450cc injectors + uberdata + tuning= good fuel management.

list of all this shit you will need:

$310 Garrett Super 60 T3 Turbo
$300-500 Manifold
$200 Tial Wastegate
$100-200 BOV
$100 Chip Burner and all that stuff needed for uberdata
$100 Dyno time for tuning
$100 IC Piping
$350 FMIC
$50 Downpipe
$105 Etech cutout
$30-50 cut out and reducers
$350 Clutch
$50 Boost Gauge
$120 EGT Gauge
$30-50 Cluster for Gauges
$100 Fuel pump
$150-300 450cc Injectors
$100 for oil lines and adapters and t's

and still need vacuum lines, silcone tubing, and an air filter

So where did I say anything about a FMU was a good thing? I suggested Hondata and some 440cc injectors, also i said that a custom kit would be the best route, but if he knows nothing about it and just wants something that is a direct bolt on kit then a drag kit would be the best thing. And $2500 is enough to build a turbo kit, I have alot of friends who have done this for $2500 and less. You have to look in the right places and also buying everything new is dumb, the turbo yes you should buy it new or have it rebiult before using it, but things like tail wastegate I see those going for around $100 all the time, BOV are not that expensive either. You can get a manifold used and piping can be made at home. Also you can pick up some 440cc injectors for $200 at the most.

[whtteg]

Originally Posted by xsimpleaznx

.... hey whtteg, so with that oil thing, i just plug it in and connect to the turbo? so no need to drill into anything else? i notice that ur ls is na and mostly basic mods but u know a lot about turbos, are u smoking a lot of cars with ur current set up? just curious what a na honda with basic bolt ons is capable of. some people with crx /zc motor told me they smoke wrx all day long.

With the oil thing you still have to plumb the oil returm line to the oil pan , but you won't have to tap the back of the block for oil supply. Most ppl just take out the oil pressure sending unit and tee off of it for the ol, but I have heard of ppl having leaks and the tee breaking off etc. The kit in the pic is alot simpler.
And for my car , Well off the bottle it is mildly quick but on the bottle it smokes a good number of cars, I have only lost to 3 hondas on the bottle and they were all civic hatch's with B18C1 and turbo or N20. But also I only have the basic I/H/E when you really look at it b/c my cams and other stuff is waiting to be installed. I have to get some valve springs and some new main bearings then it will be low 13 sec time for me. My friend had the cams I have in his teg and he ran a 14.7 with I/H/E and a 13.2 with a 80 shot. He could have seen 12's if he would have gotten a hondata and done some tunnig with the cams. He never really tuned them either, just retarded the exhaust 1 degree and left the intake at 0. For the money though turbo will be faster and you can have the boost whenever you want it. N/A is not cheap, you can get alot more power out of any FI motor for less money than a N/A motor. Also a crx with a zc willnot take a wrx, simple unless they have N20, turbo or alot of $ in the motor.