turbo dx or ls motor

[chuckhatch]

does any one know what kind of wheel horse a greddy turbo kit(no intercooler) kit on a 95 civic dx will put out????and does anyone know what a 5th gen hatch will run with a ls motor/ls trans and with a gsr trans....

[hondaracer]

I think its only around 35hp.... Not too impressive with a 95 civic motor. And a 5th gen hatch with a ls motor will run pretty god damn quick. My friend has one with a ls motor swap and some other mods and he's running the mid 14's....

[chuckhatch]

what kind of mods does your friend have...?on his ls civic hatch...is he using a ls trans or a gsr trans?

[eckoman_pdx]

Oh man, get the LS. The DX motor is 102 HP and 91 ft/lbs of torque. (flywheel numbers). The B18B1 is 142 HP and 127 ft/lbs of torque. Even stock, you'll notice a huge increase with the LS. Also, remember, the boosted DX is near its limit with a re-build, and the hp numbers still arn't better than the. The LS will give you more now, and much more later. Should you boost the LS later, you can boost it to 12psi on stock internals when tuned right. Thats over 250whp. You'd have to competley re-build a d-series to hit that, and push it to the limit. The LS will have you quicker now, and much more so in the long run. Plus, the turbo still doens't make the dx motor better than the LS. An LS with I/H/E is much much quicker than that dx motor. I have a B18B1 with that in my civic, and it hauls ass compared to the DX motor. And the added torque from the much greater displacement is a big big help. You will definatly notice it.

[chuckhatch]

i probally gonna go with a gsr trans though the ls trans gears arte too long...and i would not be tuboing any time soon..so that would be better..

[96HondaCivic]

a stock ls has 120 horspower to the wheels in a integra. Thats b18b1 engine code.

[YOUNGSTER]

Why Not A B18c ?
I G0t One And I Love It!

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by 96HondaCivic

a stock ls has 120 horspower to the wheels in a integra. Thats b18b1 engine code.

94-00 Integra had a B18B1, 1834cc, 9.2:1 c/r, 142HP@6300rpm, 127 lb/ft of torque@5200rpm (flywheel numbers)...This LS puts out about 127HP and 117 lb/ft of torque to the wheels in good shape. CAI, Header, Exhaust will boost that. The LS really moves in the much lighter Civic Chassis (2300lbs vs 2700lbs).

Well I put up the flywheel HP for the B18B1 (the engine usually called the LS), here are the flywheel numbers for the eariler "LS" motors.


90-91 Integra had a B18A1, 1834cc, 9.2:1 c/r, 130HP@6000rpm, 121 lb/ft of torque@5000rpm.

92-93 Integra had a B18A1, 1834cc, 9.2:1 c/r, 140HP@6300rpm, 121 lb/ft of torque@5200rpm.

[hondaracer]

You should really just go with the b18c. If you want a new motor might as well save a little more and get something you'll be way more proud of

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by hondaracer

You should really just go with the b18c. If you want a new motor might as well save a little more and get something you'll be way more proud of

He's right, if you don't plan on turbocharging the new motor, you plan on keeping it naturlally aspriated. The LS is a great motor to turbo, arguably the best honda motor for this, due to several factors, including the block and the tranny's longer gears. You already said you want to GSR tranny and arn't going to go with forced induction. You might be better served then going for a motor that is better suited for n/a apps, just like the LS is better suited for FI apps. The B18C1 is a great n/a motor, and it has a great tranny for n/a apps. The motor and tranny are both better suited, out of thr box, for n/a apps; just like the LS and tranny are the best suited honda motor for FI out of the box. Since you indicated you are planning to stay n/a, the B18C1 may be a better choice. For the record, I have a B18B1 (LS) in my car (I plan on a turbo eventually).