Luxo Sedan's

[NISSANSPDR]

W/the TSX now in the mix...who wins?

Acura TSX
Lexus IS300
Audi A4 3.0
Jaguar S-Type 3.0
Mercedes C320
BMW 330i
Infiniti G35 sedan (stick now available)
Lincoln LS 3.0

if there are any others in the US market...add them

I still go w/the Infiniti...RWD and stick and 260HP...nice

[blindside.AMG]

Cadillac CTS baby!

[genjy]

I think the TL Type-S would be more appropriate because everything on that list has a v6, except the TSX.

Volvo S60R ~

The S60R is about $36k, in the same price range as something like the G35 and BMW 330.

[Jimster]

The CTS is crap, as is the LS- one is a shockingly ugly work of metal and the other is a badly rebadged S Type- the S Type is much improved since its facelift- but still crap- besides- the X Type is better suited to this comparison.



The TSX is nice- but it is also our Honda Accord- which makes it a rip-off IMHO

The IS300 is excellent- but not as good as it's IS200 counterpart

Fourth is the C Class- Impressive- but overpriced and under-equipped

Third the Audi- IF it has Quattro- but it's still a VW Passat

Second is the G35- Very fast, good dynamics, well equipped and good tranny- but still ugly


The 330i is the champ- everything the G35 is but more fine-tuned dynamics and better looking



The S60 and Saab 9-3 are also wild cards- but not as good as the C Class, A4, G35 or 3-series

[blindside.AMG]

Originally Posted by Jimster

The CTS is crap, as is the LS- one is a shockingly ugly work of metal and the other is a badly rebadged S Type- the S Type is much improved since its facelift- but still crap- besides- the X Type is better suited to this comparison.

Fourth is the C Class- Impressive- but overpriced and under-equipped

How is the C-class impressive but the CTS is crap? The CTS looks better, performs better, has better build quality, is more reliable, and all for the same, or cheaper price. Oh yeah, the LS is a better deal as well.

[crayzayjay]

No competition. Has to be the 330i, with the sport pack

[Jimster]

Originally Posted by blindside.AMG

How is the C-class impressive but the CTS is crap? The CTS looks better, performs better, has better build quality, is more reliable, and all for the same, or cheaper price. Oh yeah, the LS is a better deal as well.

Opinion, wrong, wrong, wrong and decideably true- firstly the CTS like all GM product is chealy built, with Walmart-grade plastics and reeks of cost cutting quite frankly. The Reliability is UNCLEAR for the CTS this stage- it has NOT been out over three years- unlike the C Class- which has proved to be extremely reliable- according to Britains JD Power Survery- that's good enough for me- I have plenty of mates with Mercs- all extremely happy with quality and reliability- one guy I know has done over 700,000km's on his E300 Turbo diesel with only regular maintence (Pads, oil, filters etc.) needing to be done. Cadillacs are a subjext of ridicule over here- in the late 90's they tried to challenge the E class and 5-series with the badly built, painfully slow (For a V8) oversized and ugly STS- you can just see where that went- the CTS is getting similar ridicule- still nowhere near the Germans. The C320 is also a much better car to drive than the CTS- I have driven both- the CTS is a good enough drive but a C class is still better and more refined- to add insult to injury. An looks are subjective- but most find the CTS ugly, boxy and bland- which it is- the C Class has a much more exciting design theme IMHO. And the LS is absolutely shambolic- it's an ugly S Type- with a few Luxury features thrown in to appeal to 70 year old ex-Navy Colnels- no thanks!!!!! I'm not old enough to drive a Lincoln

[crayzayjay]

ouch! pretty damning assessment

[jon@af]

I gots to go with the G35 sedan. Even though some may think it's ugly, it's still an awesome car with great qualities. s:

[NISSANSPDR]

Originally Posted by blindside.AMG

How is the C-class impressive but the CTS is crap? The CTS looks better, performs better, has better build quality, is more reliable, and all for the same, or cheaper price. Oh yeah, the LS is a better deal as well.

Anyone else find it funny that this guy's basically bashing the Mercedes and his screen name ends w/AMG? LOL

[crayzayjay]

Maybe they're his initials

[blindside.AMG]

Originally Posted by NISSANSPDR

Anyone else find it funny that this guy's basically bashing the Mercedes and his screen name ends w/AMG? LOL

Who said I was bashing Mercedes? They're one of my favorite car companies. And I happen to be a technician for them too. That being said, I can tell you the C320 is no where near the quality of a CTS. The older C-class (W202) was very reliable and were worth the money. But if you pay over $30,000 for the new 203 that is underpowered, has taillight bulbs going out all the time, no interior space, and has an A/C system that smells like shit after 10,000 miles you're an idiot.

Originally Posted by Jimster

Cadillacs are a subjext of ridicule over here- in the late 90's they tried to challenge the E class and 5-series with the badly built, painfully slow (For a V8) oversized and ugly STS- you can just see where that went- the CTS is getting similar ridicule- still nowhere near the Germans.

[NISSANSPDR]

Originally Posted by blindside.AMG

Who said I was bashing Mercedes? They're one of my favorite car companies.

you're an idiot.

I could really careless about the Merc or the CTS (ugly car)...I wouldnt buy either of them...

[Jimster]

eeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrr..................Sorry to break this to you- but the CTS is also lacking in interior space as well- especially in the back- and this is a car designed for obese extravagent people!!!!! (Oh the shame!) Tail-bulbs blowing affects nearly every car- whether it be a Honda, Cadillac or Peugeot- especially mass-produced ones- usually due to putting an old bulb that got mixed up with newer ones- and smelly air conditioning????? Clearly doesn't happen to all Mercs- I've rented endless amounts of C180's- none have ever had smelly air-conditioning- must have something to do with where you live.

[Mr Payne]

I think I'm going to believe the person who works on Mercedes. Another question, why do people like Audi's so much? Don't they just have unbelievably crappy reliability?