ITR or H22

[ra227]

I read Rice Rocketeer's swap guide and thought it was pretty good but now I have more questions. Originally I was going w/ the H22 but after looking into the drawbacks I been looking into the ITR. I want to be able to have high HP and was wondering if it would even be worth the trouble to turbo or supercharge an ITR. If I did this would it still be a reliable engine. What are other drawbacks to having the ITR or the H22. I'm looking for an engine that it high HP friendly but want to keep it street legal and keep my damn ac and ps. Money is an issue but I want to do it right so am willing to pay for it to be done right. Any suggestions??

[esp]

the ITR motor was really ment to be n/a if u want a good motor to turbo or supercharge, get the ls motor or maybe even a b16a motor cause both can handle the turbo or the sc, and are good base motors. but if u are gonna pay for the ITR motor, build an n/a beast.

[ra227]

Originally Posted by esp

the ITR motor was really ment to be n/a if u want a good motor to turbo or supercharge, get the ls motor or maybe even a b16a motor cause both can handle the turbo or the sc, and are good base motors. but if u are gonna pay for the ITR motor, build an n/a beast.

I'm guessing thats goes for thr CTR as well. How much HP is possible with an all motor ITR. The highest I have seen/read was 242. Thats pretty quick but I want a little more. How high can a b16A be boosted to- Street legal-

[esp]

ya same goes for the CTR motor. Um i believe the b16 si motor can handle like 10-12 psi and that is a nice amount of power. rebuild the block and u can take a lot more and u should be pretty damn quick

[sparq]

H22

[esp]

Originally Posted by sparq

H22

not if he wants to be able to turn any corners. check your thread about that cd player in the classifieds nick

[ra227]

thanks again for the info

what b16 engine do you mean exactly. if I went with that I would try to get the si-r II w/ 170 Hp i think. if not the other b16's would due. have you seen how well this fits in a civic? what is the rough hp estimate running 10 to 12 psi. I would most likely reinforce the internals of the engine. looking at the pros and cons of each engine this sort of sounds like the way to go since I will be going FI eventually anyway. Are the b16 a good reliable engine w/ FI , if done right.

[ra227]

Also what about the B18- Gsr engine. Is this engine a good engine for FI. Does it fit right and allow good cornering?

[IllusiveTypeS]

if you want a good swap do an LS/Vtec swap....more bang for you buck and you can boost that badboy nicely.

[ra227]

How good is the ls/vtec swap? I kind of leaning toward a gsr w/ a XS Engineering Turbo- they should be street legal by Early next year which is a good time for me

[IllusiveTypeS]

i have a friend who has a 95 civic coupe with a GSR swap.....intake headers exhaust a skunk 2 manifold and he's running 14.5's.

[ra227]

Originally Posted by IllusiveTypeS

i have a friend who has a 95 civic coupe with a GSR swap.....intake headers exhaust a skunk 2 manifold and he's running 14.5's.

how does he like the engine as far as responsiveness, cornering and stuff like that. Have you seen how good it fits in the engine bay also. I know is fits, just trying to get a feel for it. I have a 95 EX coupe so I can expect to see roughly the same results

[hydrokracker]

If you're going to go FI. Do not buy an ITR or CTR. the cr. is too high for that. 11:1 on the type R motors. go with either the GSR B18c1 10.4:1 or the CR-V B20(b or z) or LS B18b1 9.2-9.5:1 cr. if you're not a Vtec freak. If you really want Vtec I would suggest the GSR because it is bigger and more boost friendly than the Si B16a(1 or 2) with its Cr. of 10.4:1. the advantage the B16 has over the GSR is the rod/stroke ratio. the B16 is most rev happy of all the B series motors. stock internals allow them to rev past 8,000rpm. but its size and cr. dont really make any big power figures.

[hydrokracker]

Also the H22 is a heavy motor compared to D and B series motors. the Added weight does not bother most drag racers considering they do not turn very often. but in turning the engine takes some getting used to. as far as FI friendly I know a guy running an H22 with a 7psi turbo in a hatch and it runs 13.5 all day at the track. the only prob is you cant run much more boost into the high Cr. H22 11:1 is pretty high for a turbo.
::WARNING:: 10psi into a stock H22 will blow it. I have seen plenty of Jackson Racing supercharged preludes with blown motors because they ran 10psi. one of which didn't "blow right away", but when the head gasket finially blew we tore the motor apart and it had 3 cracked pistons, 4 bend valves, 2 thrown rods, and 1 bent rod. even if the rods wouldn't have gracefully exited the block, the block would have had to be rehoned and bored over to accomodate for the scratches the pistons put in it. moral of the story....BE CAREFUL WHEN BOOSTING AN H22!

[ra227]

I have actually read that all the negative setbacks people associate w/ the H22 swap in 95 civic coupes are untrue- however this was only from one sight as oppossed the the many sites and people stating otherwise.
This is my goal. I want to be able to get somewhere between 300-400 hp to the wheels. To throw a little kink into the flow I want it to be street legal and daily driveable- in CA-.From reading and talking to other people I am now leaning heavily toward the GSR engine. I talked to the guys at XS Engineering here in CA and they have or will soon have a turbo kit that on stock internals will push 247 -I think it was- at the wheels. This is pretty close to my goal and after an engine build up I should reach it and it will be street legal. And depending on how 247 feels, do not know torque yet but should be good, I might stay with that setup. Still might build up motor though.
How does this sound? I haven't done all the research yet but I will before I make any final choices. Plus how bad is the H22 and cornering I want all the info anyone has.