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1991 VW B3 Passat 2.0L 6 20.00%
1995+ Ford Mustang 4.6L 24 80.00%
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Old 08-11-2003, 12:56 PM
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Where's all the power on a 4.6L Mustang?

I cant help but notice what the hell did Ford do with the
newer mustangs that use the 4.6L?

The car has got no power compared to the originall
v-8 5.0L mustangs and why is this? The newer mustangs have
a extra 5hp over the older 5.0L.

The reason i ask is because i have a 91 VW B3 Passat
and i raced against 3 or 4 newer 4.6L mustangs and burned them
without even using my NOS. On the other hand, against a real 5.0L
and i was smoked like no tommarow.

Go figure why!

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Old 08-11-2003, 01:37 PM
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I cant help but notice what the hell did Ford do with the
newer mustangs that use the 4.6L?

The car has got no power compared to the originall
v-8 5.0L mustangs and why is this? The newer mustangs have
a extra 5hp over the older 5.0L.

The reason i ask is because i have a 91 VW B3 Passat
and i raced against 3 or 4 newer 4.6L mustangs and burned them
without even using my NOS. On the other hand, against a real 5.0L
and i was smoked like no tommarow.
I Would have to say its not the stangs that lost the race but the drivers . I cant say I have owned a newer mustang with the 4.6 but I have put a few miles on a SVT Cobra stang I will say they are a trick for finding the so called sweet spot for power in the rpm range. They have a lil more power but the rpm range is much higher and needs to be used. I am sure if the people had the old 5.0 stangs first they are shifting far to soon for the 4.6.
I am not putting your ride down. I am just saying the stang loss would be all on the driver not and on the car.
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Old 08-11-2003, 03:40 PM
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;-) it should be 96 + 4.6 mustangs by the way ;-). i belive they began in 96.

and as for the power, im not sure, but the 4.6 is a way way better engine. much more reliable, and whatnot. if you need more juice, go for a cobra ;-)
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Re: Where's all the power on a 4.6L Mustang?

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Originally posted by speedman2049
I cant help but notice what the hell did Ford do with the
newer mustangs that use the 4.6L?

The car has got no power compared to the originall
v-8 5.0L mustangs and why is this? The newer mustangs have
a extra 5hp over the older 5.0L.

The reason i ask is because i have a 91 VW B3 Passat
and i raced against 3 or 4 newer 4.6L mustangs and burned them
without even using my NOS. On the other hand, against a real 5.0L
and i was smoked like no tommarow.

Go figure why!

L.L.
All I want to know is...

...what mods have you done to be beating stock mid-15-second/high-14-second cars (assuming the SN95 'Stangs), with your mid/high 17-second car? I am assuming no turbo's are involved, since you only mention "D.O.H.C." under your avatar, not "t" or "tt" like most turbo-VW owners proudly advertise. That 2.0 motor of yours produced 110HP, I believe.

Not knocking ya, but I am however, trying to head-off the flames from 4.6 owners that cruise this site. Also, you apparently haven't run into any of the '99+ 4.6's.
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Re: Re: Where's all the power on a 4.6L Mustang?

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All I want to know is...

...what mods have you done to be beating stock mid-15-second/high-14-second cars (assuming the SN95 'Stangs), with your mid/high 17-second car? I am assuming no turbo's are involved, since you only mention "D.O.H.C." under your avatar, not "t" or "tt" like most turbo-VW owners proudly advertise. That 2.0 motor of yours produced 110HP, I believe.

Not knocking ya, but I am however, trying to head-off the flames from 4.6 owners that cruise this site. Also, you apparently haven't run into any of the '99+ 4.6's.
Bingo!

You took the words right out of my mouth.
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Re: Re: Where's all the power on a 4.6L Mustang?

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All I want to know is...

...what mods have you done to be beating stock mid-15-second/high-14-second cars (assuming the SN95 'Stangs), with your mid/high 17-second car? I am assuming no turbo's are involved, since you only mention "D.O.H.C." under your avatar, not "t" or "tt" like most turbo-VW owners proudly advertise. That 2.0 motor of yours produced 110HP, I believe.

Not knocking ya, but I am however, trying to head-off the flames from 4.6 owners that cruise this site. Also, you apparently haven't run into any of the '99+ 4.6's.
Exactly my thoughts as well!!

As what was said about the newer 4.6's having 5 more HP then a 5.0L, that is just false! 99+ 4.6's are rated at 260 hp at 5250 rpm's. The first gen 4.6's 96-98, were not all that great, and lacked power. Actually the 96 and 97 had 10 less hp (215hp) then the 5.0's and the 98 had the same hp (225hp) as the 5.0's.

If you actually beat a 4.6, then it's purely cause the driver had no clue what he was doing, which I can definitely see happening. The 5.0's had an excellent low end compared to the 4.6's which prefer the higher rpm band.
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The 4 or 5 mustangs you raced, could possibly have not known you where even racing. The 96-98 4.6 was an underpowered disapointment. Ford finally did in 99 what they should have done in 96 and improve the heads. Anyway, its supposed to be more efficient then the 5.0, gas mileage ect..
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Mustangs

I also wanted to let you guys know that i personally love mustangs myself, so I have nothing against them.

What i am saying however is that it occured several times that
I did beat them, oh and if you'r wondering if the other drivers
did not even know if they were or were not racing me, you don't go 190 kmh+ on a 50 kmh zone so yes a race was on.


Under the hood: 2.0L D.O.H.C. (135 hp (stock) at the wheels), piper cams,light weight pulleys, ceramic manifold, medalion muffler and 3" piping, modified semi electronic/semi mechanical air float system w/ cold air intake and a custom NOS dry kit shotting out fan spray nozzle w/110 hp jets.

My engine is producing about 200 hp w/nos about 300 hp.


Keep in mind i am not putting down the Mustang, in contrary i love that car and i am planning to get one, this is why i am getting peoples opinions.

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Under the hood: 2.0L D.O.H.C. (135 hp (stock) at the wheels), piper cams,light weight pulleys, ceramic manifold, medalion muffler and 3" piping, modified semi electronic/semi mechanical air float system w/ cold air intake and a custom NOS dry kit shotting out fan spray nozzle w/110 hp jets.
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Re: Mustangs

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Under the hood: 2.0L D.O.H.C. (135 hp (stock) at the wheels), piper cams,light weight pulleys, ceramic manifold, medalion muffler and 3" piping, modified semi electronic/semi mechanical air float system w/ cold air intake and a custom NOS dry kit shotting out fan spray nozzle w/110 hp jets.

My engine is producing about 200 hp w/nos about 300 hp.
did you add up all the added horsepower claims on the product boxes to get those numbers? cough

the 4.6 is a decent enough engine that can produce some nice numbers (only under supercharging though), like the 03 GT at 390hp and the 03 marauder at 355hp.
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lol, look at the out come of the poll so far....



But anyways, the latest GT's(which have the 4.6) are definitly quicker than any stock 5.0 Mustang.. and that includes the lighter foxbody 5.HOOOO's
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I raced a stock gt without my headers on and it actually wasnt a bad race. Granted I shut it down after he put a few cl's on me, I dont think he was the best of drivers either
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Re: Mustangs

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I did beat them, oh and if you'r wondering if the other drivers
did not even know if they were or were not racing me, you don't go 190 kmh+ on a 50 kmh zone so yes a race was on.

Under the hood: 2.0L D.O.H.C. (135 hp (stock) at the wheels), piper cams,light weight pulleys, ceramic manifold, medalion muffler and 3" piping, modified semi electronic/semi mechanical air float system w/ cold air intake and a custom NOS dry kit shotting out fan spray nozzle w/110 hp jets.

My engine is producing about 200 hp w/nos about 300 hp.
OK your car does not make a 135 hp stock at the wheels. It makes a 134 bhp. Your car stock also runs a 0-60 in 9.8 seconds, while the stock 99+ Mustangs run a 0-60 in 5.5 seconds manual tranny, and 6.3 seconds auto tranny. Car and Driver test drove a stock 99GT and was able to pull off a 14.2 in the 1/4 mile, and their drivers can't drive for shit. 5.0 Mustang&Superfords took a stock 02 GT and got a 13.72 at 101.8 mph. Add roughly a second to those 1/4 mile times for autos. So unless you sprayed the motor, which you say you didn't, I don't think your modified motor could pull it off.

Also how do you know your car is truly making 200 hp n/a, and 300 on the juice? I'd like to see dyno results? I believe you car stock is somewhere in the 17 second 1/4 mile range,(correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the info I got off the web.)

But hey what do I know about VW's? Just something sounds fishy here!
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