New twist on Baghdad Bob

[YogsVR4]

http://thescotsman.co.uk/international.cfm?id=807132003

POLICE in Sweden revealed last night that Iraq¡¦s former information minister may have been involved in the brutal murder of an Iraqi agent in Stockholm 18 years ago.

Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, whose ludicrous press briefings earned him the nickname "Comical Ali" at the height of the war in Iraq, became ambassador to Sweden shortly after the killing in 1985.

Officers in Stockholm confirmed that they had received a tip-off claiming he was implicated in the murder of an Iraqi dissident, Majid Husain, who had sought asylum in Sweden in the mid-Eighties and planned to tell officials about Iraq¡¦s security apparatus and agents in Europe.

Shortly after he arrived in Sweden, Husain disappeared. His body was found two months later chopped into 54 pieces and stuffed in two suitcases.

The police investigation into the murder had been hampered by Saddam Hussein¡¦s reign in power. Mr al-Sahaf was last seen in June, when he arrived in the United Arab Emirates and indicated he would be staying there with his family.
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I think I need to change my sig picture now.

[taranaki]

But he said he didn't do it...............

[Pick]

Originally posted by taranaki
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953

“Neither the United States nor the world community of nations can tolerate deliberate deception nor offensive threats on the part of any nation large or small. We no longer live in a world where the actual firing of weapons represents a sufficient challenge to a nation’s security to constitute maximum peril.”
-President John F. Kennedy,Oct. 21, 1962

Just thought I would respond to your quote......

[freakray]

Originally posted by Pick



“Neither the United States nor the world community of nations can tolerate deliberate deception nor offensive threats on the part of any nation large or small. We no longer live in a world where the actual firing of weapons represents a sufficient challenge to a nation’s security to constitute maximum peril.”
-President John F. Kennedy,Oct. 21, 1962

So how do you justify America's 'offensive threats' it made prior to invading Iraq?
How do you justify the 'deliberate deception' the United States used in order to justify its invasion of Iraq?

If "we no longer live in a world where the firing of weapons represents a suffiecient challenge to a nation's security to constitute maximum peril" how do you explain that Iraq was invaded on the premise they had WMD's?

[YogsVR4]

Loaded questions. Those are no different then asking "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Your question implies that there was 'deliberate deception' on the part of the US in the same fasion the other question implies that you have been beating your wife.

[freakray]

Originally posted by YogsVR4
Loaded questions. Those are no different then asking "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Your question implies that there was 'deliberate deception' on the part of the US in the same fasion the other question implies that you have been beating your wife.

I notice you only pull out the 'deliberate deception' part.....conveniently.
You having a run of 'bogus' posts this week Yogs?
The number of typos in your posts of late, did gigatron have that much of an effect on you?

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by freakray


I notice you only pull out the 'deliberate deception' part.....conveniently.
You having a run of 'bogus' posts this week Yogs?
The number of typos in your posts of late, did gigatron have that much of an effect on you?

Sorry about the spelling. I have not been proofreading my posts today.

I did not only pick the one item for ‘convenience’. I used it to illustrate a point. Again, I thought that it was made, but I’ll elaborate on it again.


Your prior post had two loaded questions. The assumptions you made were incorrect. Both the deliberate deception and premise of WMD are inaccurate. While the WMD is certainly a dynamic of why the war was fought, it was not the premise for the war in the way you phrased the question.

There is nothing bogus about what I’ve been posting except where I indicated as such.

[freakray]

Originally posted by YogsVR4


Sorry about the spelling. I have not been proofreading my posts today.

I did not only pick the one item for ‘convenience’. I used it to illustrate a point. Again, I thought that it was made, but I’ll elaborate on it again.


Your prior post had two loaded questions. The assumptions you made were incorrect. Both the deliberate deception and premise of WMD are inaccurate. While the WMD is certainly a dynamic of why the war was fought, it was not the premise for the war in the way you phrased the question.

There is nothing bogus about what I’ve been posting except where I indicated as such.

I was not making assumptions as you so nicely put it, I was posing questions based on Pick's quote he posted and what it emoted on my part.
If people are going to post quotes stating a country should not go to war on the premise of a threat, as has happened here, then I would like to hear more from them on the matter.

[YogsVR4]

Reread Picks post. That quote does mean that a country can go to war on the premise of a threat.

[freakray]

I worded my post really badly there

I was referring to this:

Neither the United States nor the world community of nations can tolerate deliberate deception nor offensive threats on the part of any nation large or small

Yet was America not the one making offensive threats prior to invading Iraq?
I didn't hear Iraq making threats against America prior to the invasion....so how is the attack justified?

[YogsVR4]

Saddams claim that he would destroy Isreal isn't a threat?

[freakray]

Originally posted by YogsVR4
Saddams claim that he would destroy Isreal isn't a threat?

Remember the 6 day war...amongst others....
Israel can look after themselves....if the threat is so serious, there is the UN....right?

[Accord_Zero]

Not to the U.S. Do you have an article or something on when he said that? Just curious...

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by freakray


Remember the 6 day war...amongst others....
Israel can look after themselves....if the threat is so serious, there is the UN....right?

The UN? The most useless organization the world has ever seen? Not a chance they'd actually do anything constructive.

He said that after the 6 days war. Aside from that, are you suggesting threats to allies should not be acted on? (I am saying that in general and not that the Iraq war was a result of this threat alone).

[Accord_Zero]

Yogs, the 'justification' for attack on Iraq was based on a UN Resolution. If the U.N. is useless, so is that.........right?