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political prisoners in Guantanamo Bay face secret 'trial',execution

The political prisoners currently being illegaly detained at Guantanamo bay are to be tried by a military tribuneral,and could beexecuted without appeal.THIS INCLUDES CIVILIAN PRISONERS.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...991669,00.html

Tear up the Constitution,guys and use it for ass paper.It's no longer a valid document.There's a hefty price on Saddam's head,it's time someone put a price on the head of the man responsible for this fascist outrage.
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Bush is getting out of control something needs to be done about this

can't the Senate doing anything? or are they all republicans?
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Bush is getting out of control something needs to be done about this

can't the Senate doing anything? or are they all republicans?
I don't know if they are republicans, but they sure are a bunch on invertebrates!!

Bush has been out of control for a long time.....his the playground bully and thinks the world is his playground
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yea he should be stopped.

I watched Question Time the other day and some retard said North Korea should be Dealt with............ erm no that would be suicide.
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Re: political prisoners in Guantanamo Bay face secret 'trial',execution

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The political prisoners currently being illegaly detained at Guantanamo bay are to be tried by a military tribuneral,and could beexecuted without appeal.THIS INCLUDES CIVILIAN PRISONERS.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...991669,00.html

Tear up the Constitution,guys and use it for ass paper.It's no longer a valid document.There's a hefty price on Saddam's head,it's time someone put a price on the head of the man responsible for this fascist outrage.
They are terrorist, and will at least have a chance in court.

FIRING SQUAD READY!!!
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They are terrorist, and will at least have a chance in court.

FIRING SQUAD READY!!!
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
I didn't see anyone rushing John Walker Lindh in front of a firing squad and he was captured in the same place as many of the prisoners in Guatanamo Bay, right?

It seems like double standards to me, you want to push the Arabic origin supposed terrorists in front of the firing squad, but the American that was "arrested" with them gets away with his life.....
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a military trial is more than they would have back in there own country.... at least this way they get to die with a bullet instead of days of torture for someones entertainment.
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Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
I didn't see anyone rushing John Walker Lindh in front of a firing squad and he was captured in the same place as many of the prisoners in Guatanamo Bay, right?

It seems like double standards to me, you want to push the Arabic origin supposed terrorists in front of the firing squad, but the American that was "arrested" with them gets away with his life.....
That traitor gets gang raped in jail for a few years...which is worse than death.

Listen, 3000 Americans died in 9/11, have you forgotten? Justice must be served, that is American justice. They are not Americans. We could have just shot them all in the Afghanistan desert, burried them in a mass grave, and no one would ever know.
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That traitor gets gang raped in jail for a few years...which is worse than death.

Listen, 3000 Americans died in 9/11, have you forgotten? Justice must be served, that is American justice. They are not Americans. We could have just shot them all in the Afghanistan desert, burried them in a mass grave, and no one would ever know.
According to they law, the traitor should have been shot....American justice is weird

You would cry if the family's of these men being detained committed retaliatory attacks, yet want America to avenge the deaths of those that died 9/11.
How many Afghani people are buried in the desert? You don't know....because nobody has told you....how many Afghani men are buried in tunnels and caves because of US bombing? You don't know that either, because nobody has told you.
In your eyes, you think executing the men being detained will offset the lives of those 3000 Americans, yet you don't know how many people have already died in retaliation for the 9/11 attacks.
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This is one thing I wish were more open. Any trials need to be open for scrunity including military trials. It doesn't have to be open to the public if there are safety concerns, but that doesn't mean that they cannot have full consult with their individual embasies etc.

While we do have the death penalty here in civilian and military law, that does not mean that will be the result of the trial. (although I fully support stringing up the guilty)













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If you commit the kind of crimes that are punishable by death in a foreign country,you should accept the punishment if caught.My biggest concern is that the whole procss of detention and trial is being carried out in secret at a small offshore base,with little or no respect for international law.Obviously,terrorists don't respect international law either,but many developing nations look to the United States for clues as to what is acceptable state behaviour.There have been many cases where the US has criticised other nations' leaders for lack of transparency in justice,it is just plain hypocrisy to behave in this way.
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I just think this is a bad example to set and will fuel any kind of hate towards the US.

If the US wants to seem like the friendly nice guy they got to stop stabbing people in the back so to speak.
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If you commit the kind of crimes that are punishable by death in a foreign country,you should accept the punishment if caught.My biggest concern is that the whole procss of detention and trial is being carried out in secret at a small offshore base,with little or no respect for international law.Obviously,terrorists don't respect international law either,but many developing nations look to the United States for clues as to what is acceptable state behaviour.There have been many cases where the US has criticised other nations' leaders for lack of transparency in justice,it is just plain hypocrisy to behave in this way.
The task is to prove that those being held have commited any crime other than being members of a terrorist organisation.
Assuming they may have done something or will do something is like me saying somebody could commit murder so we should lock them up now to save time and money.....

Another factor, what they may or may not have done may not have been illegal in their country, bringing to the USA where it is illegal doesn't make them subject to trial in the USA does it?
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more gross abuse of the justice system by the American government.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070703J.shtml

This is blackmail.The people responsible for trying to twist the justice system in this way to 'encourage' suspects to plead guilty should be in jail themselves.The fact that the U.S. government is prepared to stoop to these kind of standover tactics is an indication of how weak their case against the alleged 'terrorists' must be.

Guantanamo Bay and the filthy politics surrounding it are becoming an embarrasing stain on the record of a country which presents itself as a guardian of freedom and democracy.There can be no justification for the continued detention of prisoners of war,and there can be no justification for holding any alleged offenders of any other category under these conditions.If America wants to invade countries on the pretext of human rights abuses,then Uncle Sam needs to clean up in his own back yard first.
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ex inmate sues US
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3055127.stm
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