japanese vs. domestic

[bluevette74]

Howdy to all. Ive been hearing alot of crap about foreign cars are better than domestic cars. Well i cant tell you which is better but i can give you my opionon. Until you can show me one foreign car that can run under 10 sec without $15,000 invested in it, I wont shut up. You can take a 2000 camaro z28 bore it out to a 400ci which will cost about 5-600 dollars, put alluminum heads 5-600 dollars, msd 500 dollars, rocker arms and a bigger cam 5-600 dollars, and finally nos about a 5-600. that adds up to about 2500-3000 dollars and you will run well under 10 secs. And if your saying that your rice rocket runs under a 10 without alot of mods then your full of shhit, i have yet to see a street leagal rice that can run under 10 and hasn't invested atleast 10,000. im sure their will be alot of pissed of foreigners but fuk em.

[G-Forces]

While you're at it don't forget your worn out baseball hat and overalls. Yeeeeehawww! Too bad your Camero will start falling apart in about 3 years.

OK here's one for ya. 1989 240sx ($3000), SR20DET conversion, ($2000), and to even it out $12000 in upgraded turbo, fuel, exhaust and some ECU tuning. For the same price you'll sure wonder what the hell's wrong with your car. :finger:

Of course we could go on all day about this sort of thing.

[CAptynCrunch]

Theres a reason no street legal import will do an under 10 quarter, it's because they're efficent. Hell, a Skyline GT-R will blow the doors off any, and i mean any american made car ever, in a 1/4 mile, on teh track or the street, doesn't matter. But you see, they aren't legal in teh states for the same reason a Evolution isn't, the states has this weird law where a car's engine cannot produce more then something like 100 HP per litre of the engine. American engines are the worst in the world. The japanese are incrediably skilled at pulling a very large ammount of horsepower out of a very small engine. Look at a Lancer, it uses a 2.0 Litres in-line 4 and it has 270 BHP. Costs $25,000 and weighs about 3000lbs.

A ford mustang GT costs the same, uses a MUCH bigger V8, weighs 300lbs more, and produces 10 BHP less then the lancer.

The reason imports need that little bit of extra money is because it's required to return them to the power they are in Japan. When japanese cars are brought stateside they are severly neuterd. Most japanese cars, and i mean the actual versions sold in japan have about 20-30%more HP then the exact same models sold in the states. Thats why the Lancer and the Skyline aren't brought over here, it's because the companies won't make them ball-less so that american cars won't look bad.

Also, how much is it to buy that camaro? because i garuntee that i can come up with something for the same price or less that would blow that thing away in every category.

[G-Forces]

Originally posted by CAptynCrunch
American engines are the worst in the world. The japanese are incrediably skilled at pulling a very large ammount of horsepower out of a very small engine. Look at a Lancer, it uses a 2.0 Litres in-line 4 and it has 270 BHP. Costs $25,000 and weighs about 3000lbs.

You know that insurance, or tax, is based on the displacement of the engine not the horsepower. That's why Japanese cars get a lot of power out of a little displacment. If you started the same type of thing in the states I'd be you'll see American car makers putting more time into getting more out of less.

[Pharty012]

TRUE THAT.... domestic boy can't talk sh*t now can he......

[bluevette74]

Originally posted by G-Forces
While you're at it don't forget your worn out baseball hat and overalls. Yeeeeehawww! Too bad your Camero will start falling apart in about 3 years.

OK here's one for ya. 1989 240sx ($3000), SR20DET conversion, ($2000), and to even it out $12000 in upgraded turbo, fuel, exhaust and some ECU tuning. For the same price you'll sure wonder what the hell's wrong with your car. :finger:

Of course we could go on all day about this sort of thing.

Well aren't we retarded. If you spend 12000 grand on turbo and exhaust and all that other crap. you mise well stick your foot up your ass because you go fuucked!

[GTS-4 Ben]

12000 grand... damn thats alot of cash... LOL

Difference is, a 10s Japanese car like the GTR can still go around a corner at the end and is road legal and has road tires....

Heard of RH9.. all road tires under 10's.... fuck you will NEVER do that in an american car.

[G-Forces]

Originally posted by bluevette74

Well aren't we retarded. If you spend 12000 grand on turbo and exhaust and all that other crap. you mise well stick your foot up your ass because you go fuucked!

Yup I'm the retarded one. I can't understand a word you wrote.

[G-Forces]

Originally posted by GTS-4 Ben
12000 grand... damn thats alot of cash... LOL

Yup, I was just trying to even out the price tag. $12k buys a lot of mods for an SR20DET.

[Polygon]

Oh my hell.
I can't believe some of the posts I am reading. Someone comparing a Mustang to a Skyline GTR. Well this orange is more orange than that apple, so the orange is better. You can't compare the two.

[blacksnake98]

I am a domestic car guy, don't get me wrong. But I would be willing to guess that you could get one of those Supra TT's into the 10's for less than $10,000. Those cars are absolutley awesome. Maybe some of the import guys can correct me if I'm wrong, since I am by no means an authority on the subject. What you have to realize, is that there is always going to be somebody faster. Whether they drive a Ford, Chevy, Honda or Nissan etc. I like to think I am pretty open minded, and appreciate all fast cars (Not a big fan of big wings and stickers, on foreign or domestic cars), but none the less, I have respect for any automobile made to go fast and look good, regardless of the manufacturer.

[G-Forces]

Originally posted by blacksnake98
I am a domestic car guy, don't get me wrong. But I would be willing to guess that you could get one of those Supra TT's into the 10's for less than $10,000. Those cars are absolutley awesome. Maybe some of the import guys can correct me if I'm wrong, since I am by no means an authority on the subject. What you have to realize, is that there is always going to be somebody faster. Whether they drive a Ford, Chevy, Honda or Nissan etc. I like to think I am pretty open minded, and appreciate all fast cars (Not a big fan of big wings and stickers, on foreign or domestic cars), but none the less, I have respect for any automobile made to go fast and look good, regardless of the manufacturer.

Hey man that's totally cool. I just happen to like Japanese 4 bangers now, I'm going to attempt to get about 300hp at the wheels with a turbo when I've the money saved up. I have to respect a modded to car too, no matter what it is....as long as it's not too in your face.

Anyway the Supra TT is not really the best 1/4 mile car it's more of a top speed type highway car. From a 80mph roll-on there isn't much that can hang with it. But yes a Supra TT can get into the 11s pretty easily. But it's a 60k car, although you can get a used one a lot cheaper now.

[F20C]

If you are domestic owner you should know exactly what your car's strength and weakness is. Strength is obviously displacement power. They are plenty of domestic running with 1000+hp as well. Weakness should be build quality. Just take a look at the interior of C5. It's a world difference when you compare build quality of exterior to interior.


If you are a real car lover the main goal is to get the most out of the car, that's all doesn't matter if it says BMW or Ford in front.

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[CAptynCrunch]

Originally posted by Polygon
Oh my hell.
I can't believe some of the posts I am reading. Someone comparing a Mustang to a Skyline GTR. Well this orange is more orange than that apple, so the orange is better. You can't compare the two.

Polygon, I'm assuming your referring to my post. Just to clarify i'm not comparing the mustang to a skyline in any regard. I was comparing the mustang and a lancer because both cost about the same ammount of money which is what the guy was arguing about. He said that imports can't run good 1/4 miles without lots of upgrades. A lancer with just the little bit of extra stuff that he added to his camaro, or even just a good NOS system would easliy run under 10.

I was using the skyline as an example of a car that isn't allowed in the states because of the fact that it creates too much HP and Torque for it's displacement.