The land that's considered american

[gigatron]

The thought just hit me, there is this map at a school I remember I sat by and like it was exteremly detailed and recently made. Well tiny islands all had countries in brackets (France, Britain, Australia and the US). There were other little countries that owned coastal islands but the US had islands as deep as in China, around Australia near Russia, you name it...:/ I wish I could scan it but some of the stuff was RIDICULIOUS! it was like 12000+ kilometers away and it was US owned.. wtf? :/ o_O Same goes for the other countries France, Britain and Australia.. but the US like.. damn :/ Somenone find me a map lol.. It pissed me off cause the thought just came to me from one thread on the issue of guantanamo. I also remember watching this one documentary on BBC regarding sweatshops and how there's this one American island right near China coastline where they promise American citizenship (on that island off of China lol..) if the chinese cross for work in sweatshops (shitty conditions for work obviously) but do they really get to go to the US.. no not really.. and the island is waay out of the US but its US owned.. wth ?

[freakray]

Most of those island France and Britain 'own' are actually pretty uninhabitable or so small they're of little consequence.....did you take that into consideration?

South Africa 'owns' some islands around the Antarctic circle, but they are only inhabitable for 4 or 5 months a year.....so who cares about them?

Think about this, the average US aircraft carrier is bigger than most of those little islands, why worry about the island they own, rather worry about the mobile weapons platform that carrier is.....

[gigatron]

Originally posted by freakray
rather worry about the mobile weapons platform that carrier is.....

Well you bring an interesting point. These islands surround asian countries, australia, all spread out thousands of kilometers away from american coastlines and closer to other countries and how the hell ar ethey in 'international waters' that far.. what bullshit. It goes back to what one person said once.. how cuba had arms from russians and the US never did. Well I pointed out that the US had bases with nuclear arms setup through europe but were removed after cold war (supposingly), but then this came to mind and wtf.. its litteraly hundreds of islands enough to have a village, a military base, etc... Or in the case of the sweatshops use foreigners pay them nothing, promise lies, etc.. What the hell!?

[freakray]

Originally posted by gigatron


Well you bring an interesting point. These islands surround asian countries, australia, all spread out thousands of kilometers away from american coastlines and closer to other countries and how the hell ar ethey in 'international waters' that far.. what bullshit. It goes back to what one person said once.. how cuba had arms from russians and the US never did. Well I pointed out that the US had bases with nuclear arms setup through europe but were removed after cold war (supposingly), but then this came to mind and wtf.. its litteraly hundreds of islands enough to have a village, a military base, etc... Or in the case of the sweatshops use foreigners pay them nothing, promise lies, etc.. What the hell!?

You bring up the International waters argument, do you know the offshore line for International waters?

That island gives the USA a reason to put a navy ship off the cost, or if it's big enough it gives them a place to launch aircraft from, you know they're not going to give that right up. (Remember the UK and the Falklands war.....think about what it was about....the Falkland Islands are too far from the UK for anything but strategic value)

Why do you give a shit anyway? Half the time you can't type in comprehensible English yet you're worried about what America is doing?
Are you really interested in World politics, or are you more interested in finding reasons to bash America?

BTW, if you're interested, Bin Laden has a job for you

[gigatron]

Don't go off topic and don't deny the truth that the US is flawed and corrupted that's the point. Bin Laden, hah how ironic? If the US was really fighting evil, then they'd be fighting what they promised to fight.. except of course not. Don't go off topic.

Seriously it is important and it says a thing or two. Just fact that people probably don't care about and forget about. I chose the red pill, fuck it.

[2strokebloke]

What's your point - all sorts of countries own little islands all over the world - does this make every country that owns tiny little islands corrupt?

[gigatron]

How about hundreds of islands? No? How did the British and French gain theirs? Colonialism. What about the US? AND WHY to this day, I am talking thousands of miles away not even in the slightest close to the US coastlines. Why? One such example, the use of 'local' (on those islands anyways) foreigners (like china) and using them in sweatshops. I was pissed off when I heard this about filipinos and some Canadian company but look at this... even islands owned for that :/ First heard about those few 'islands' and sweatshops and that pisses the fawk out of me. The canadian company claimed it was for competition's sake. Well I sure hope his soul's at a discount.

Secondly pisses me off that the US has bases all around the world, who the hell do they think they are. Not only islands but countries, and lastly whoever said that comment about Cuba in another thread. yes the US had nuclear bases in european countries when Russia had em in Cuba. It goes back to an argument about Hiroshima, the cold war. WWII didn't end, WWIII started, hence the cold war. It affected europe generally but east europe mostly, south america, asia and the middle-east.. but its not a 'world war'. The arms race merely began because other countries didn't feel like being treatened by the US who used the two nukes on Japan. But then look at all these islands. I swear I'll try and get the map.. but its just god damn ridiculous it was hundreds of little islands scattered all around the world surrounding other countries' coastlines, screw the idea of international waters.

And freakray I'm glad you can help me correct my english, at least i can speak, read and write four foreign languages...

[2strokebloke]

I think you're making nothing into something. These islands - the majority of them are too small to build anything useful on - most of them are uninhabited too, so no sweatshops there.
Is there really any problem with owning islands nobody wants? I mean Canada has plenty of land nobody would really want to live on - and it's all so far north and close to greenland, you don't think that maybe Canada wants to invade greenland do you? those corrupt free-loading Canadian! I mean really all that useless land out in the middle of nowhere! - who do they think they are anyway?

[gigatron]

Regarding the sweatshop thingamajig. There are and I was watching this on a BBC hidden camera sweatshop hunt. First part of the documentary was on land hunting down Nike and Gap. Especially after Nike and Gap supposingly made a large anouncment that they'd stop sweatshop practices, they stopped... publicly of course, and went even more underground. So whoever they were got the workers with hidden cameras and entered the factories that were suspected as Nike and Gap producers anywho short story long that was first part and Nike and Gap were of course 'no comment'. Then the next part had to do with an owned by the US. That's what I was pointing out. It was no where to be found near the US. Except the poor foreigners were promised American Citizenship if they worked htere. Same deal they got hidden cameras. And it looked like a 'clean' public building except of course it was a huge huge sweatshop thing. And so ya :/ there is... I am highly against sweatshops :X US owned or not. I was very pissed off at the Canadian company (I forget the name not really sweatshop but same deal) who publicly in an interview stated that its down for 'competitive' purposes the workers, adults, filipino, were working for this shipping/boat company for sweatsho like money and around the clock.. I hope that guy's soul is at a discount.. damn scum bag. So yes this was an island owned by the US not in American 'grounds'.. what the hell? These are not cartoon islands with a palm tree and little sand around and a man standing in the middle.. :/ Doesn't take 'much' as the case with Cuba was... It wasn't the WHOLE island it was a little patch not the country @_@

[freakray]

Originally posted by gigatron

And freakray I'm glad you can help me correct my english, at least i can speak, read and write four foreign languages...

What, do you want a medal?
What's so special about that?
I speak four languages too, so what?

[SHOtough]

90% of those islands that the U.S. has a claim to were gained during WWII. think okinawa. sorry but japan had taken almost every island grouping in the pacific and were using them to launch their navy on australia. many strategic islands had to be taken back for the U.S. to win. they have them after the war because of the treaties agreeing on peace. when you join the axis and try to take over the world, you gonna lose something ie. many islands in the pacific
like many stated before, the aren't inhabited and what does Nike and Gap have to do with the U.S. being corrupt. it's not like canadians don't wear nike.

[freakray]

Originally posted by gigatron
Don't go off topic and don't deny the truth that the US is flawed and corrupted that's the point. Bin Laden, hah how ironic? If the US was really fighting evil, then they'd be fighting what they promised to fight.. except of course not. Don't go off topic.

Seriously it is important and it says a thing or two. Just fact that people probably don't care about and forget about. I chose the red pill, fuck it.

Gigatron,
You are so blindly anti-US government that you can't see that I am not going off topic at all, it in fact your rants that are going off topic.

Like I said, there is plenty of reason for the various countries to want these islands, why do you care?

How did they get them, probably in WW2 when they beat the Japanese back to Japan, the USA probably decided to keep some of the smaller islands to themselves then, if not before then.....

[freakray]

Originally posted by SHOtough
90% of those islands that the U.S. has a claim to were gained during WWII. think okinawa. sorry but japan had taken almost every island grouping in the pacific and were using them to launch their navy on australia. many strategic islands had to be taken back for the U.S. to win. they have them after the war because of the treaties agreeing on peace. when you join the axis and try to take over the world, you gonna lose something ie. many islands in the pacific
like many stated before, the aren't inhabited and what does Nike and Gap have to do with the U.S. being corrupt. it's not like canadians don't wear nike.

You posted while I was typing

Well, that strengthens my point, thanks

[gigatron]

No I'm not blind to it, I'm proudly anti-US gov. I've stated this many times. I despise the US gov. I think I've clearly stated this in past posts. And I said I'd nitpick and point out as much about it's corruptions, exploitation and lies.

Oh and I've quite clearly said I oppose anyone in support of sweatshops. In support means the companies, corporations. The US is giving that island specifically for a sweatshop. The US should be blamed. I will dig up if ther eis an article of the documentary on BBC about it. I saw a documentary with video footage on the matter not article.

Why do I care freakray? Isn't it obvious? Doublestandards and what the US gov. says about others as in the case of Cuba. Yes yes its soo long ago, but it has consequenceus today and I was pointing that part out due to someone who was talking about Cuba in a few past threads.

The point here is, the islands are thousands of kilometers away from US coastline, waaay away. Seriously screw the point of international waters if you have bases all over the world, islands that you can do whatever with; make more bases, sweatshops as in that case, what else can you make? These islands are off the shore of other countries. Including China/Korea and again the case of the sweatshops..

I'll get a hold of that damn map and you'll see how much it really matters for WWII.. and actually none of those really matter today and should be given back, same goes for Britain and France not just the US. The only purpose they can serve today or in the past after the WWII were for more war period. The US doesn't deserve those islands right now especially when its gone power hungry at invading countries.

And I've quite clearly pointed out Canadian corp, comapnies, 'boses'/managers whatever regarding the sweatshops.

[2strokebloke]

Hate the American government? there are lot of better things to hate than that.
The whole islands thing is just stupid - I mean look at this: Britain has the Bermuda islands - way out there far away from the England - but they're close to the U.S. - does this mean that the british want to attack America? or Cuba? or any of the other islands down there? Does this mean that the british want to get American citizens to work in sweatshops? No.
Seriously, concentrating on the problems of one of the better governments out there is kind of pointless.