Addicted to Turbo

[LIQUIFIED56]

To all of you fellow turbo nuts. I have a 91 gsx that i just got pissed off at and tore it to pieces. I ran 11.65 with it last year and it wasn't fast enough, I have completely gutted the car and im starting fresh. I was able to pull off the 11 sixty with the stock turbo running at 27 psi (dont ask, my buddy has been a diamond master tech for over 20 yrs) stock axles and stock tranny with mild engine upgrades and a bunch of hks goodies. I liked the fast spoolup of the smaller t25 (stock) turbo and dont want to trade that for a lagging bigger one. Here is my plan. I have another buddy that said he would build me a twin turbo manifold so i can use 2 smaller turbos instead of 1 massive one thus giving me that faster spool-up. I still have all of the hks goodies : evc, f-con, 1-bov, turbo timer, 3-inch exhaust and 2 stock turbos from an auto (smaller), 2 stock turbos from a manual trans (little bigger). I know im going to have to do a lot of custom tubing and some kind of rediculous cooling process to keep all of that heat down not to mention heads, sleeving the block, trans and axles. But does anyone know how much boost a stock block can hold, and how much can it hold if i bore it over say .020 or .030. any info can help on my suicide mission thanks.

p.s. dont reply saying it cant be done anything can be done with the right amount of time and money and i dont care if i blow up i plan to run nitros and propane too (it will cool it down lol)

the turbo freak
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[turbo2nr]

stock block can hold 22psi

twin turbo dsm nice.. i dnt doubt you but it will be hard.. good luck but i say jus slap on a 20'g n call it a day.. rember itz only a straight 4 motor it will be hard to spool 2 turbo even tho its small...

but thats up to u good luck

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[turboawdgsx]

Personally I think you're bs'ing. You ran an 11.6 on a stock Turbo? Right!!!!!! <insert Dr. Evil voice>. So you ran that on 27psi, I'm asking. How?

Rob

[turbo2nr]

hey turboawdgsx u seem to be right i smell b.s.

he said stock t-25.. i taught the t-25 only made around 20psi max.. i doubt 27psi.. and if he was running 27psi why is he only doin 11.6's??

seem kinda wierd..



hmm twin turbo 4g63? if the japanese didnt do it they must be something wrong with that idear then.... say a big 18g or 20 will do the job better then the two t-25....

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[aves911]

You know what, I seriously considered deleting this post but figured I might as well call you out to keep people from posting such blatant BS.

There are so many inconsistencies in what you are saying its ridiculous!

Let's begin shall we

1. You claim to be running a T-25 as your stock turbo..only wait the T- 25 came on 2G's not on 1G's. The 1G turbo is the 14B.

2. Neither the 14B or the T-25 can build anywhere near 27 psi.

3. Running 27psi without upgraded cylinder head bolts will blow a HG in about 2 seconds

4. NOONE HAS RUN IN THE 11'S ON A 14B OR T-25! There are several that are around 12 flat and you are not any of them.

5. Your 91 GSX has a 3-bolt rear, you claim to have run 11's on the stock drivetrain...DOUBTFUL it has been documented that the 3-bolt typically fails in the mid-twelves

6. You obviously don't know the first thing about DSM's as if you did you would realize that a 20G, capable of sending a 1G AWD into the 10's, hits full spool at 3500rpm. I don't know what you think but 25+psi by 3500rpm on a turbo that can hold that much boost until redline is not laggy in the slightest.

7. If you have ever looked under the hood of your car you would realize you have ONLY ONE cylinder head not mulitple.

8. For some reason, you bought FOUR turbos to make your TT setup

But I don't know why I pointed any of that out to you, obviously you and you DSM "Master Technician" would know all that because you've already run mid 11's

Now to humor you and answer you questions:

You also should know installing overbored pistons does not detract from the blocks integrity. A stock big rod bottom end can hold up to 30psi without failure. Built 4G63's have run up to 40 pounds without even blinking. Your cooling system will be fine without modification, people that have run TT DSM's have had no problem with that.

Now let me explain why a TT 4 cylinder is a terrible idea.

A. We don't have the exhaust gas flow from our 2.0L to spool two turbos simultaneously. Thus you two normally quick spooling 14B or 13G will spool twice as slow and feel like a 60-1.

B. Both the IC and exhaust piping is a nightmare because you have NO room under the hood to put another turbo.

Now, if you had simply wanted to know details about building a high hp 4G63 or about twin turboing a DSM, you should've just asked. Don't try to BS people, it never works.

Peace

[turboawdgsx]

Here's my take,

T-25 came on the 2nd gen eclipses. He lists a 91 GSX in his profile.

2nd) 27psi out of a T-25 is just plain stupid. Pretty much anything above 15psi is pretty useles.

3rd) He's just listing parts. It's pretty much like saying, "I've viewed tons of DSM sites, & this is what I would throw together". Cars are like cooking, you can't just throw a bunch of shit together & expect it to taste good/work like that.

4th) "stock axles and stock tranny with mild engine upgrades and a bunch of hks goodies." Mild upgrades? Sure man, I know guys with TONS more work & knowledge, yet are still stuck in the 12's with me. I've honestly run a 12.625@112 mph. I'd love to see his MPH, 60's, ANYTHING!!

Rob

[turboawdgsx]

Posted at the same time Aves

Rob

[aves911]

LOL no kidding Rob, gotta love those "take my word for it I ran an 8 flat" timeslips

[turbo2nr]

hehe i knew he was b.s.

you people are the men!

[LIQUIFIED56]

Thanks alot everyone, i noted all of my parts to get ideas. I am a track nut that didn't BS ONE WORD IN THAT THREAD.

for the editors info I have owned 3GSX's this one happens to be a 1G which I decided to keep because I liked the way the much lighter car reacted on the strip, and no I was not dumb enough to spend money on all of those turbos. As I said my Bud works for PARK RIDGE MITSUBISHI, PARK RIDGE ILL (cheap even free parts). I also have 2 extra blocks a parts car and an extra head. As for not having problems pulling the 11.6. I blew a head broke an axle and finally blew out an HKS gasket and warped the last head that's the reason it is in the garage right now torn to pcs. The stock turbo can and did hold 25 psi and peaked out at 27 I have the head to prove it. I am a serious about trying to get the TT to work, I do have enough room for all of the piping we removed the front clip tore out the ac unit and pushed the radiator forward you should see how much room their is. the reason I posted this thread was not to BS people im not a 16 yr old that just got his first strip car i just wanted some ideas because im nutz enough to do it and have the resources to follow through.

[LandoAWD]

4. NOONE HAS RUN IN THE 11'S ON A 14B OR T-25! There are several that are around 12 flat and you are not any of them.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/show...threadid=54331

Check out post 19.

The thread starter is a tool regardless.

[aves911]

If you are serious about this, go to www.dsmtuners.com or www.dsmtalk.com and search the archives for "twin turboing". There are guys on those boards that have done it and written reviews.

Peace

[laserspeeddemon]

I read this thread via a link from DSMTuners.com

I signed up for this forum for one reason only.

To cyber-b*tch-slap you

Man what the h*ll is wrong with you. I seen only one guy ran 24 psi on the stock 14b and that was with serious fuel management and 116 Octance Racing Fuel, you need help.

Seek psychriatic help, man.

[laserspeeddemon]

oops forgot the cyber-b*tch-slap

[LIQUIFIED56]

laserspeeddemon,

I really didnt post that thread to explain every aspect of my OLD SETUP the stock turbo did peak at 27 with a heavily modified fuel setup which included hks injectors and not one but two aftermarket fuel pumps ran in series to keep up with the boost. And guess what I still leaned out and got a SH)$load of KNOCK (which warped my head) I warped the head so damn bad I was blowing boost into my coolant lines and blowing radiator hoses.

SO RIGHT BACK AT YA WITH THE "CYBER-B*TCH-SLAP"


SEE YA IN MY REAR-VIEW
LIQUIFIED56