4wd Integra? Likely possible.

[jdmhondaonly]

I was just thinking since the B20 block on a CRV would basically bolt right in an Integra DC2 chassis, why couldn't you just transfer everything including the transmission, transfer case, driveshafts, and rear end along with it and convert your fwd to a 4wd? I know someone out there has thought of this before because I've even dreamt about it. I have a friend that has a mig welder so we could do our own fabrication. What do you guys think?

[Moppie]

Honda has already made B18b powered versions of of the 4th and 5th gen Integra coupes and Sedans in Japan.
The sedans are not that rare, but not that special either, the extra weight combined with the non-VTEC B18b makes them a little sluggish.
I have however seen one B18c powered AWD Coupe. Rare car, and I should imagine quite quick.


Doing the swap to a FWD Integra would be a major operation.
You would need to cut out most the floor plan, and either replace it with the floor from a CRV, or HRV in order to get a Transmission tunnel, and mounts for the rear diff.

[eckoman_pdx]

Honda Tuning magaizine wrote an article about that very idea in the June 2003 issue. They are trying to make a Type-R AWD. They were just plannin in that issue. Apparently, Honda did make a AWD Integra once, but it never made it to US shores. It was only in markets outside the US, and only for a very short time. Honda discontinued it after a little over a year in production. It was called the Integra ZXI. It was AWD, but underpowered, with only a 127hp D-series motor and a "slushbox" transmission. The article explains how they plan to do it, you are on the right track. They said, and I quote "We'll be using an assortment of Honda and aftermarket parts, and factory parts taken from a CR-V. The CR-V uses a B-series motor and transmisson that will directly bolt into the integra chassis." The article goes on to say that they may use an Integra ZXI rear differentail mounting on the car, or they may need to combine CR-V parts with Integra ZXI parts to make their "Beast Run." The article said ProMotion Motorsports of Florida has taken up the task of this doing this project with them. Maybe they can help you more. I am sorry I have no phone number or web addy, as the article gave none.

[jdmhondaonly]

thanks alot eckoman for the 411. but I'm pretty sure, ProMotion won't be too willing to give out tips on their lastest project since it's gonna be the first one that i've seen. looks like it's gonna be a race between mine's and their's.

[93DC2]

yes, we have a very unpopular 4wd teg here in japan. ZC engine, 4 door. my pipe dream was to drop in a reinforced spoon h22 from a type S 'lude (does spoon do anything with em?), up the gear ratios and drop in a turbo. dammmmmmmnnnnnn. i could run with STi's and LanEvos. anyway, the japanese refer to AWD's as 4WD's too, and these types of tegs are VERY rare (i've only seen 1 in my 8 years living in Okinawa). must have been cuz the wimpy engines. i'm pulling up the honda-japan site now for more info...let's see...first sold as the ZXi4WD trim in july '93 under the E-DB9 body style (4 round headlights/4 door. the popular GS-R in the states is the DC2, hence my name...), 5 spd manual, ZC engine--i.e. 1.6l SOHC, 120ps@6300 and 14.5kgm@3000. for reference, the B18C engine in the SiR (or GS-R in the states) is 180ps@7600 and 17.8kgm@6200. '96 Type R was 200ps@8000 and 19kgm@6200. in other words, the ZC sucked, which made the ZXi4WD suck. no one wants this bastard child, so they cut its life short. for reference, i just found 15 '96/'98 type R's for sale throughout all of japan and just 1 ZXi4WD. this car has potential (albeit with the mods i mentioned above), but why take a chance when you can buy something already made to whomp ass? that's why i'm selling my 93 DC2 with around 200ps (that's roughly 200hp) and buying a '03 WRX STi that comes 300hp in stock trim.

[sweetcarz.com]

why waste the time and money?

[projectsilvia97]

I think it'll cost a bunch of money, so not worth it. And it'll probably make the car a shit load heavier with all that extra weight. It would be pretty sweet though, if you got it to work.

[TuRboVrOoM]

If you got the money, do it. Never let people say you cant do something. I just say And if any one still thinks its not possible mail a letter and write the idea down and send it to jesse james at Monster Garage and they probably wanna do and succeed so never lose hope

[jdmhondaonly]

That's a great idea about the monster garage thing TurboVroom, but I think Jesse and his crew is just a little bit bias towards the import crowd. They look like and I'm pretty sure are domestic beast lovers. But just to let you guys know, I've found a B20 block and am currently building it with JE pistons and type R head. That way I have the monster torque (probably only 160ft./lbs.) for the 4wd while still getting high flow for top end. So I'm about 1/4 of the way there to getting my dream machine. Probably be ready in about 6-8months. Why so long???? Because my funds come every 2 weeks in the form of a paycheck.

[eckoman_pdx]

Dude, thats cool you are actually trying to do it. Most people never get creative beyond what theyhave seen done. Keep me posted on how it comes. Also, I know you thanked me for my info when I origanally gave it, but did it actually come in handy now that you have started? Good Luck on it, it'll be neat once you pul it off.

[sweetcarz.com]

I learned a lesson from being involved with cars for a while..........
if someone else hasn't done it, there is a reason. If it was a good idea, someone would have done it by now.

[93DC2]

hey jdm only guy, what tranny model u using?

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally posted by sweetcarz.com
I learned a lesson from being involved with cars for a while..........
if someone else hasn't done it, there is a reason. If it was a good idea, someone would have done it by now.

If such was true, there would never have been any inovation in any part of the automotive industry. No Vtec, no Turbo, no inovation in any part what so ever. As I told him above, Honda Tuning Magazine is involved with ProMotion Motorsports of Florida in trying to do the exact same thing he is trying. Also, try fitting an AT LS into a civic, the tranny is too big to fit in the engine, it hits the frame rail, plus re-wiring the civic to work with the Electroniucally Controlled AT is a b*tch. Now, some migh t say, put in a sitck, well, a AT LS was wanted, A AT B-sereis. Several Places said "It couldn't be done, an LS Automotic into a 5th gen civic? Nope." Well, It happened, and it worked out quite well. So a stick would of been more fun, but the reason the reason everyone turned down doing that swap wasn't what you stated above, though that was there idea. Now do I have the know how to do what he wanted? No, but somewhere along the line, it HAS to be possible with money and know-how. Maybe he'll do it, maybe not. But the pro's build RWD drag-civic's, and they try because it benifits them. But AWD wouldn't. Maybe it's lack of the big "benifit" that has stymed this from being done before. But if him, or Honda Tuning with ProMotion Motorsports of Florida, wants to try to pull this off, I say more power to them. Nothing ever got done to a car by saying if someone else hasn't done it, there is a reason. If it was a good idea, someone would have done it by now." So maybe it's a good Idea, maybe it a bad one. I myself wouldn't try it, but that doesn't mean it's not possible with lots of dedication. Maybe Honda Tuning Pulls it off, maybe not, but that counts as someone (else) currently trying it. As far as I can tell, the first too. Somewhere along the line, everything had a first. I can imagine in 94 telling people you are going to Lower your Civic Hatch 2 inchs or so, maybe 2/1/2, put on 18 inch wheels, stick in a new Integra GSR tranny, engine and ECU, and Turbo it up. Someone would have probably laughed at you, said "18's on a Civic, lower it? Put in an Integra engine, tranny, and ecu and boost it? Not gonna happen. If it was a good Idea, honda would of tried it." Well, almost a decade later, it happens to be quiet commen, with an industry based around this idea, weather it be Honda's or another car. I guess my point is, every current idea we take forgranted, like RWD Drag Civic's, Engine swaps, etc, had a time when it was never done and someone tried it first. Besides this guy, Honda Tuning with ProMotion Motorsports of Florida is trying it, maybe it works, maybe it doesnt. We'll never know for sure until they give it a try for the first time and figure out the problems, how to make it happen etc. I am well aware it's not the easiest undertaking, but if this guy doesn't make it happen, Honda Tuning (Primedia) would have the Pockets to pull it off it's possible to make it functional and work.

[eckoman_pdx]

93DC2 , it was your comment about dropping in a nice H22 into the ZXi4WD Integra that was Honda Tuning's motovation to give it a try. They are trying to do it to a type-r, however. They are going about it how I descirbed in my 1st post. I suppose to would be easier for them to try it by getting the ZXi4WD and putting in a type-r if thats what they wanted. But I guess, first off, like you said, hard to come by, and second, I bet they would say "that would take the fun out of trying." It'll be a shame if they ditch the project without completing it. A screwed up Type-R, and they won't have much to show. I think you should try your idea. Hell, I'd give it a go, but there's no way I am getting a ZXi4WD to drop a new motor into here in ther states.

[93DC2]

No thanks eckoman. i'll stick with my plans for a new STi. i'm tired of being the guy with the little car that could (i just ate a 180sx for breakfast). i wanna be the guy with the little car that WILL.
93 DC2 Integra:
1.8l VTEC
Spoon Camgears
Ultra 8mm plug wires
HKS Iridium plugs
Tanabe 4-2-1 header
J's Racing straight pipe
RS*R Exmag GT2 exhaust
HKT cold thermostat
Civic SiR tranny for closer ratio
APC short shifter
Mugen shift knob
Razo carbon fiber pedals
wimpy stereo
Hiro front bumper
currently have stock Type R side skirts
Mugen side skirts (when i finish painting them...)
Garcia rear bumper
bad azz alum. GT wing from some brand that I forgot
heavy 17 in. Schneider Deos rims for show
light 15 in. Sparco rims for when i'm feelin' frisky
cuztom blue painted taillights and a silly little skull with LEDs for eyes that i've spliced into my taillights.
clear side and corner lenses and all that little dress-up BS.
AND NO STUPID BLING BLING HEAVY AZZ CHROME CRAP. chrome is show/no go.

all bolt on stuff. props to the guy up there fabbing his own parts for his 4WD Teg. you get my respect whether or not it works. and props to the us guys who install our own parts. don't give me none of that BS about "some people have the knack, some don't." i used to not even know how to change a tire. all it takes is to ditch the fear of getting dirty. you get so much more satisfaction of doing it yourself. good luck 4WD guy.