Fate of XPs

[tvrfreak]

Could someone confirm if the following is correct:

XP1 Crashed and caught on fire in Namibia during high-speed testing.
XP2 Blue. Crash tested at MIRA with best-ever results.
XP3 Silver.
XP4 Blue. Toured Asia. Now in Fremont, CA
XP5 Now green. Record holder at 243mph. At the factory

Anyone know what happened to XP3?

[Peloton25]

The story I have heard associated with XP3 was that it was crashed - possibly that it was the car that BMW boss Bernd Piechstrieder wrecked. I don't know if it was ever repaired or where the wreckage may have ended up. If it wasn't destroyed in an accident, then I don't really know.

The rest of what you posted all seems as accurate based on the info I have as well.

>8^)
ER

[mini magic]

this was Bernd Piechstrieder's car so i have strong reason to believe this was xp3...also look at the attached image, notice you can just make out holes for the foglights that were a detail on all cars up to xp3 (xp1, xp2, xp3, clinic car) but were not made into the production cars....

[McLaren Mike]

how long did it take 2 fix + cost?

[McLaren Mike]

plus xp5 is now green, record was 240.14mph or 391 km/h set in Nardo test track. Normal f1 does 231 mph without 7500 rpm meter disabled.

[mini magic]

Originally posted by McLaren Mike
how long did it take 2 fix + cost?

we believe it was totalled

[tvrfreak]

Cost is a weird thing with McLarens. There's so many rumours swirling about that it's hard to know who to believe. I have heard from an owner that the servicing can cost 14,000 GBP, and then I have heard it quoted (from Jake Ulrich--racer and owner/ex-owner--anyone know if he still has one?) that his servicing cost 140,000 GBP one summer because they had to do a complete rebuild. Did someone mistakenly add another zero? Was there a complete rebuild or repair of fire damage that makes justifies the higher number? I have also heard of 20,000 GBP for a repaint, which does not sound too bad, and then others have said that 07 was repainted for 230,000 GBP. I get the feeling that the conversion to Le Mans is probably what cost 230k, not the paintjob. Larry Ellison's car is supposed to have been repaired for a large sum as well.

As for rebuilding a crashed McLaren, their high value means that people go to great lengths to repair cars that are extensively damaged. But some damage is simply beyond repair. I doubt if Chris Dawes' car was repaired. This one seems repairable to me, though. Body and glass panels are replacable, as long as the tub is in good condition. Engines are rebuildable too. Fire damage, or extensive crash damage, etc. would make it a borderline case, although if someone was willing to pay for the spare chassis at McLaren, I think even such a catastrophe could be recovered from.

[mini magic]

Originally posted by tvrfreak
Cost is a weird thing with McLarens. There's so many rumours swirling about that it's hard to know who to believe. I have heard from an owner that the servicing can cost 14,000 GBP, and then I have heard it quoted (from Jake Ulrich--racer and owner/ex-owner--anyone know if he still has one?) that his servicing cost 140,000 GBP one summer because they had to do a complete rebuild. Did someone mistakenly add another zero? Was there a complete rebuild or repair of fire damage that makes justifies the higher number? I have also heard of 20,000 GBP for a repaint, which does not sound too bad, and then others have said that 07 was repainted for 230,000 GBP. I get the feeling that the conversion to Le Mans is probably what cost 230k, not the paintjob. Larry Ellison's car is supposed to have been repaired for a large sum as well.

As for rebuilding a crashed McLaren, their high value means that people go to great lengths to repair cars that are extensively damaged. But some damage is simply beyond repair. I doubt if Chris Dawes' car was repaired. This one seems repairable to me, though. Body and glass panels are replacable, as long as the tub is in good condition. Engines are rebuildable too. Fire damage, or extensive crash damage, etc. would make it a borderline case, although if someone was willing to pay for the spare chassis at McLaren, I think even such a catastrophe could be recovered from.

2 things:

1. i don't think larry ellison's car was crashed, are you thinking of Gerd Petrics previous car that was crashed by Elon MusK?

2. Chris Dawes wasn't driving his own car at the time of the crash, i heard that it was getting serviced and he had borrowed another car (from where i don't know). i have also heard that his car (chassis# 071) is in the hands of the uk governement in relation to his drug trafficing charges, these rumors may not be true tho, and since the car has never been see anywhere since then, it seems believable.


BTW: does anyone have a link to the news site that had the article on the crash?> i seem to have lost it?

[tvrfreak]

Chris Dawes article: http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/...05/story7.html

I am told that he was driving his own car, and that it was his boat that was seized by customs.

Larry Ellison's car was definitely crashed. It's not publicised, but it is common knowledge around here. It was shipped to Germany for repair, and then brought back to the US. I know the owner of the towing company that towed it (they wrapped the entire car in bubble wrap before shipping it). The crash happened on Skyline Blvd. in Woodside.

Elon Musk's car was also crashed (it spun off Sand Hill Road in Palo Alto). It was shipped to England for repairs, supposedly. Don't know anything more about that.

[mini magic]

Originally posted by tvrfreak
Chris Dawes article: http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/...05/story7.html

I am told that he was driving his own car, and that it was his boat that was seized by customs.

Larry Ellison's car was definitely crashed. It's not publicised, but it is common knowledge around here. It was shipped to Germany for repair, and then brought back to the US. I know the owner of the towing company that towed it (they wrapped the entire car in bubble wrap before shipping it). The crash happened on Skyline Blvd. in Woodside.

Elon Musk's car was also crashed (it spun off Sand Hill Road in Palo Alto). It was shipped to England for repairs, supposedly. Don't know anything more about that.

thanks for the link. i didn't know about larry ellison crahsing his. thanks for the info. also, whay was ellisons shipped to germany, why not england?

[tvrfreak]

i don't really know, but possibly the damage was engine related...maybe it was worked on by bmw?

mclaren has a service centre in germany (it's probably at bmw hq), or maybe they had the materials on hand or had a time slot available sooner?

[mini magic]

i just found this, http://www.thisisessex.co.uk/essex/a.../NEWS14ZM.html

his original car was historic orange, so either he bought another one or he was borrowing it like the rumors say

[mini magic]

sounds like the crash was horrible:

A COMPUTER millionaire, who was facing trial on a drugs charge, and two
other people were killed instantly yesterday when the £640,000 McLaren
F1 sports car in which they were travelling crashed and exploded in
flames.

Christopher Dawes, 39, was chairman of the Micromuse computer company.
The other people in the McLaren - the fastest road car available,
capable of up to 212mph - were a 37-year-old man and a woman of 35. The
crash happened after a heavy downpour.

Flames from the burning wreckage swept across the A120 at Great Dunmow,
Essex, where Mr Dawes - who was due to appear in court later this year -
had a home. A series of explosions prevented would-be rescuers from
reaching the occupants.

One officer said: "It was a scene of absolute carnage when the emergency
services arrived. Everybody here is very badly shaken. The car left the
road and hit a building."

Susan Mulford, 24, arrived at the scene after hearing the crash and
called the emergency services. She said: "We saw this great cloud of
black smoke and then flames right across the road. It was fortunate that
no other cars were following. No one could get anywhere near it; it was
just smoke and flames. Then there were two or three explosions as if the
petrol tank went up."

The burgundy car is believed to be still registered to McLaren, the
company that runs the Formula One racing team. It built 100 of the cars
in which the driver sits in the middle between the two passengers.

The A120 was closed for three hours leading to long queues in traffic
travelling to nearby Stansted Airport. Local residents said the rising
bend on which the car crashed was an accident blackspot. One resident,
Matthew McGinn, said: "Three people were killed in an accident very
close to this one and yet the police appear to do nothing."

Mr Dawes, who was born in Australia, made a fortune estimated at around
£100 million from Micromuse. He had become fascinated by computer games
as an amusement arcade mechanic in Adelaide.

He took a degree in electronics engineering and came to London in 1987.
Two years later he set up Micromuse from the attic of a terrace house in
Fulham with the aid of a small loan from the Greater London Enterprise
Board. It now has its headquarters in California with offices in London,
New York and Sydney.

Last October, Mr Dawes resigned as chief executive and president and
sold the company - which by now was designing computer software for a
series of major telecommunication giants, including BT - cashing in £24
million of shares.

Although he remained as a director and chairman of Micromuse, he began
to diversify, buying a number of hotels on the Channel island of
Alderney, where he was a well-known figure. Mr Dawes, who also had homes
in London, Amsterdam and San Francisco, recently bought the £2 million
Merks Hall at Great Dunmow which, despite having all the hallmarks of a
classic Georgian mansion, was built in 1983. It has an indoor swimming
pool and built-in stereo system and has been described as the ultimate
home for Essex Man made good.

Mr Dawes, who is estranged from his English wife Angela and their two
daughters, was arrested on Boxing Day last year after a raid netted
Alderney's first crack cocaine seizure. He was allegedly found in
possession of a small amount of the drug. His private helicopter and £3
million private jet were impounded and searched for drugs. He was later
released on "open remand" - the equivalent to being held on bail - and
was due to appear in court charged with possession of a Class A drug.



--taken from another site

[Stratoraptor]

Originally posted by mini magic
this was Bernd Piechstrieder's car so i have strong reason to believe this was xp3...also look at the attached image, notice you can just make out holes for the foglights that were a detail on all cars up to xp3 (xp1, xp2, xp3, clinic car) but were not made into the production cars....

thats not the XP3. the XP3 is locked safe and sound at McLaren Cars Ltd. headquarters. it never crashed...at least i dont think it had a major one....

[Peloton25]

Originally posted by Stratoraptor
thats not the XP3. the XP3 is locked safe and sound at McLaren Cars Ltd. headquarters. it never crashed...at least i dont think it had a major one....

Where do you get this info??

I'm fairly certain that XP3 was destroyed in the accident with the BMW Chairman.

The only one of the XP road cars I'm aware of that is still in the possession of the factory is XP5 - the dark green car that was used for marketing, promotions, and test drives/rides for prospective customers.

Do you have more info on your claims about XP3, or were you simply confused?

>8^)
ER