Is N2O considered Foced Induction?

[Mr. Anderson]

Hey guys,

I know this is a stupid question. But I got this kid that works with who just annoys the shit out of everyone with his POS Mitsubishi Turbo eclipse. I don't know what year it is but it's the older body style.. wanna say "rs"? Not sure. Anyway.. swear this kid thinks his car is as fast as a Lamborghini... he was telling me that he smoked a Ram Air Trans AM from a roll the other day????? By the way, the kids car is BONE stock. He's telling me that his car can handle like 18psi? Is that true... or another bullshit story. He also tells me he won't race me because I have NOS, so I told him that's like telling you to take your turbo off! He tells me that N2O is not considered Forced Induction??? If N2o compresses the air doesn't that "Force" more air into the intake??? He's also making comments like " oh it's still just a Honda!" wait a sec........Mitsubishi!?!? Where do they rank as far as reliable cars?? Any of you guys have any sites with specs like a cosumer report or something? I just want to print some shit and duck tape to his freakin windshield! Not to mention my interior was worth more then he paid for that whole car! Help me out.....

[BrokenLimits]

Yes, N20 is considered forced induction...

[PWMAN]

An RS wouldn't be a turbo. But if it is turbo then it has 195 HP, which isn't slow. They are not reliable whatsoever, they are pieces of crap.

N20 does not ''compress'' air. All N20 is is a higher concentration of oxygen than the normal atmosphere so if you add more gas it gives you more power.

[Mr. Anderson]

Ok.. got it! and like I said didn't know if it was "rs" or not but it's the one you just said with the 195hp. Yeah, it's pretty quick.. but he's telling me he can boost up to like 18psi?? Is that true... and most of all.... is NOS considered FI just like a turbo?

[Neutrino]

Yes N2O is forced induction......i would not say however that those car's are pos'es unless treated like crap....if you take care of them and mod them you can get some insane power out of those 4G63 engines

[Cronic]

Yes, N2o is FI. n2o is compressed gas. Therefore already compressed. It is 33% oxygen when released it causes an endothermic (cooling effect) reaction, and cools the intake charge while it feeds the engine with compressed oxygen.

PS: DSM's are very reliable, yes they can hold 18psi on race test fuel. The bottom ends from 1g dsm's can hold ~450whp. They are beast.
He's a moron for saying n2o is not FI.
Ive repeatedly watched DSM's reliably walk into 13.7's with 500 bucks in mods.

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Ok.. got it! and like I said didn't know if it was "rs" or not but it's the one you just said with the 195hp. Yeah, it's pretty quick.. but he's telling me he can boost up to like 18psi??

18 PSI is probably doable with a bigger intercooler. I don't know if the stock turbo can put out that much either. 16 PSI no problem. I think they boost 12 PSI stock, so 18 probably isn't out of reach.

[Mr. Anderson]

Hmmmmmm....

Interesting! I didn't believe him when he told me that if he put intake and exhaust on his car he would smoke me even with the NOS? But maybe he's right! I really don't hate the car.. I hate the fact that this kid thinks his car is the best thing since sliced bread and whipped butter. But stock is stock... he aint' got shit on me.... cause mine's so peeeeerrrrrrrrrttttyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!! :finger: Thanks guys! good shit though!

[PWMAN]

How much power do you think you are putting to the ground? OR at the crank? His car weighs a lot more.

[Cronic]

Intake an exhaust do shit for a DSM.

Tell his stupid ass to get a boost controller, and larger injectors, run open down pipe and get a real boost guage.

Explain to him 18psi, 550cc injectors, and an SAFC will get him speed.

Next step from there would be a sidemount MK4 Supra IC and a larger turbo.
He'll be well into 12 sec ET's, btw if he's AWD, stock he may beat you. Depends on your motor and setup.

[Mr. Anderson]

How much power do you think you are putting to the ground? OR at the crank? His car weighs a lot more.

I'd be one of those ignorant idiots if I made up some number because I never got my car dyno'd so I really can't tell you. The car pulls ALOT more then it did when it was stock naturally and with the 65shot of N2o it makes people turn their heads with the "what the hell" look. But I mean it's no monster by any means! I'm gonna do the H22 swap next March and work that with cams, port and polish and the mods I have done to it now. Like to get in the 250-260 range before the NOS... but that's then....

and ya.. he'll beat me stock because he does have AWD and the fucker power brakes his car to get the turbo spooling.. in his..........AUTOMATIC!!!!!! (I) <-----------pussy!

[PWMAN]

So it's a GSX if it's AWD. Auto? What a POS. Cheater. What was your car stock, like 125?

[Mr. Anderson]

Yeah.. mine was ony 145 stock (ex vtec)... and my question to him was.. what is your engine stock with no turbo?? maybe 110-120??? Just really bugs me.. the fact that he thinks Mitsubishi's are better cars then Hondas! Can't wait to get that H22 and put some internals in... he always talking shit but couldn't even afford to put one of the chrome exhaust tips on that you buy at discount auto....and when I asked him to take it to the track on friday.. OF COURSE!! he said no.... said racing me would be a waste of his gas!........idiot!

[PWMAN]

Actually the N/A Eclipses are 135 HP. Yeah thats sad, does this kid even have a job? If so what does he do with the money? He must blow it on the crack he's smokin if he thinks he can beat you - HAHA - LOL

[Cronic]

The 4g63(turbo DSM) motors are different from the N/A motors. They have super low compression and are beefy inside. They can handle alot of abuse. They were made for boost and lots of it. Great motors if you ask me.

Mr Anderson: The SOHC VTEC motors only make 125-127 to the flywheel, which comes out to about 108 to the wheels. The eclipses make around 160-170. Even tho they're heavier, the power to weight ratio is supierior.