EVO or WRX

[LancerEVO]

What is better a Lancer EVO or a WRX?

[turbo2nr]

ummm...

depends what you are lookin for

itz like askin whats better "apple or oranges"?

i like the wrx because of the massive 2.5l turbo motor that makes 300hp

but i also like the lance cause of the styling and better creature comforts it all depends what you like..

btw

WELCOME

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[EJ20]

WRX STi? or shitty WRX like mine?
STi is better altho every single magazine said the oppisite
STi comes with forged internal, but 2.5L is known to be not reliable as the 2.0, I guess time will show it all

STi with intake, downpipe, boost controll, and SAFCII
http://www.godspeedinc.com/images/DynoDPHPBC.jpg

EVO with dp , hoses, boost controll SAFCII, new radiator and larger FMIC
http://www.pruvenperformance.com/images/aldyno3.JPG

[Neutrino]

welcome to Af but please learn how to use the diffent sections:

car comparisons>EVOvsSTi....

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t104109.html

[KrNxRaCer00]

welcome to the boards...

before this gets moved...STI > EVO

but thas jus my take on it

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00
welcome to the boards...

before this gets moved...STI > EVO

but thas jus my take on it

thers is already a thread sterted there about it

[KrNxRaCer00]

damnit...im always late :hehehe: ah well...i'll let this bad boy die...

[LjasonL]

The WRX was never meant to compete with the EVO. The EVO is a better car in every way, which is why it costs 6 grand more. The STi is the EVO's competition.

[Self]

Like someone else said, check out the car comparisons forum and you'll find this very thread already there. And welcome

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by Self
Like someone else said, check out the car comparisons forum and you'll find this very thread already there. And welcome

so now I'm someone else...that hurts ...guess i'm not important enough to be remembered by the all powerful mods

[LjasonL]

Originally posted by Self
Like someone else said, check out the car comparisons forum and you'll find this very thread already there. And welcome

Yeah I read that. But while I cared enough about the topic to post my thought, I cared not enough to go find the car comparisons forum to post it in.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

WRX Sti by far

It has natural characteristics whereas the EVO uses Electronics to go fast. The thing is the Electronics reduces tire wear on the EVO and its probably easier to drive but the naturallness of the WRX far surpasses the EVO. They used a symetric layout and design on the Impreza so that weight is as evenly distributed as possible. It like 48/52 or something like that left and right weight loads are almost equal whereas the EVO is a mess. The WRX has the gearbox mounted behind the front axle and the engine is roughly above the front axle to give better weight distribution. Generally it makes me thing that Subaru has spent alot of time playing with the layout.

Both of the Cars are extremely hard to tune as they are both highly sprung so ignorant mods like aftermarket exhausts (which are crap) can shift torque from a point in the rev range where it is needed.
The Sti i am talking about is the J-Spec one but i heard that Subaru increased the displacement and spent alot more work on the US-Spec Sti so that it would enter that market with a bang

Also The EVO in standard release form in the US is poo it does not come with AYC or ACD (Active Yaw Control or Active Center Diffs (*EVO's have electronically controlled rear diffs the front ones are regular LSD's)
I'd only buy an EVO if it had Both of these features otherwise you'll get creamed by a Subaru when it comes to corners.

As i feared it has mechanical diffs
http://www.mitsucars.com/lancerevolution/specs.html
Don't get it its not worth it. AYC and ACD is what makes it the EVO its more like a DEVO with out it.

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
WRX Sti by far

It has natural characteristics whereas the EVO uses Electronics to go fast. The thing is the Electronics reduces tire wear on the EVO and its probably easier to drive but the naturallness of the WRX far surpasses the EVO. They used a symetric layout and design on the Impreza so that weight is as evenly distributed as possible. It like 48/52 or something like that left and right weight loads are almost equal whereas the EVO is a mess. The WRX has the gearbox mounted behind the front axle and the engine is roughly above the front axle to give better weight distribution. Generally it makes me thing that Subaru has spent alot of time playing with the layout.

Both of the Cars are extremely hard to tune as they are both highly sprung so ignorant mods like aftermarket exhausts (which are crap) can shift torque from a point in the rev range where it is needed.
The Sti i am talking about is the J-Spec one but i heard that Subaru increased the displacement and spent alot more work on the US-Spec Sti so that it would enter that market with a bang

Also The EVO in standard release form in the US is poo it does not come with AYC or ACD (Active Yaw Control or Active Center Diffs (*EVO's have electronically controlled rear diffs the front ones are regular LSD's)
I'd only buy an EVO if it had Both of these features otherwise you'll get creamed by a Subaru when it comes to corners.

As i feared it has mechanical diffs
http://www.mitsucars.com/lancerevolution/specs.html
Don't get it its not worth it. AYC and ACD is what makes it the EVO its more like a DEVO with out it.

I'm sorry NSX but you are way off....they both have been tested and the evo kills the STI in corners even with that AYC....the handling advantage of the evo more than makes up for the slight power deficit....of and BTw they have very similar acceleration numbers


oh and you said that upgrading the exaust will move the toque way high on the rev race making it unpractical....well that is true on NA cars but on turbo cars the less backpressure you have the more power you'll have all over the rev range.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

Originally posted by Neutrino




I'm sorry NSX but you are way off....they both have been tested and the evo kills the STI in corners even with that AYC....the handling advantage of the evo more than makes up for the slight power deficit....of and BTw they have very similar acceleration numbers


oh and you said that upgrading the exaust will move the toque way high on the rev race making it unpractical....well that is true on NA cars but on turbo cars the less backpressure you have the more power you'll have all over the rev range.

Wrong Wrong Wrong

Did you understand what i said NO

EVO 8 (only and only if it has AYC AND ACD) = WRX STI

other wise its

US SPEC EVO 8 (NO look see NO AYC AND ACD) < US SPEC WRX STI


And i'm sorry to say i stand by my comment that Sti's and EVO are highly sprung and only if you either buy a decent exhaust or heavily tune will you reap benefits from the engines. Evo's because of their AYC ACD's can enter corners and brake later
STI's and this is FACT they can corner faster because of their balance
And i actually qouted the last thing its not my personnal opinion it comes from a reputed source and i don't think i would question the guy since he knows more than you.

Also you don't understand why the STi is better. It's natural and a drivers car it doesn't use Computers to make it fast so it is therefore more balanced.

So basically if you look at the development strategies behind both companies you see that

Mitsu = Computer Aided devices
Subaru = balance and the use of their Symmetrical layout.

and if it is true that the US SPEC Sti isn't better than the EVO
then they both took a step backwards

And once again i have to point this out because i don't think you understand why the EVO is fast

It has active yaw control and active center differentials
Active Yaw Control
Mitsubishi's Active Yaw Control traction enhancement system uses a computer to optimally regulate torque transfer in the rear differential on 4WD models and thereby tailor rear wheel differentials to match driver operation and vehicle operating status. In this way, MMC's proprietary system both equalizes the load on the four tires by adaptively regulating the yaw moment that acts on the body and improves cornering performance without inducing any sense of deceleration.

When accelerating through a corner, AYC reduces understeer by transferring torque to the outer wheel; when decelerating in a corner, AYC enhances stability by transferring torque to the inner wheel. AYC also improves traction on surfaces with low or split friction coefficients and has fully proven its worth since it was first introduced in Evolution IV.

For Evolution VII, all parts of the torque transfer mechanism of rear differential have been uprated to match the increase in engine torque, while breather and clutch operating durability have been improved. The system shares the same computer, hydraulic actuator unit and sensors as the ACD, thus reducing weight and improving reliability.


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Integrated ACD & AYC system control

On Evolution VII, control of the ACD and AYC systems is integrated by computer. ACD control is based on: (1) A feedback control strategy to improve vehicle stability by keeping actual body attitude as close as possible to pre-determined attitudes as derived from steering angle and vehicle speed and, (2) A feedforward control strategy that responds rapidly to driver acceleration and deceleration actions. By combining these strategies in an optimal manner, ACD achieves the outstanding stability of a full-time 4WD vehicle and enhances steering response while realizing the superior traction of locked up 4-wheel drive. In the integrated system, ACD feedback and feedforward information is transmitted to the AYC control system using parameters in such a way that the larger the ACD differential limiting force is, the larger the yaw moment generated by the AYC system.

This precise and integrated control operates so that, for example when accelerating out of a corner, the ACD enhances traction and the AYC enhances steering response and cornering performance. And because of its seamless nature, the driver is unaware of the integrated system as it operates to improve acceleration and handling more than the ACD and AYC systems would if they were operating independently.

ACD+AYC control schematic Reduces slippage in proportion to deceleration to improve stability.

Increases slippage in proportion to steering angle and steering input speed to improve steering through corner Reduces slippage in proportion to throttle opening to boost traction Transfers torque to outer wheel to match steering angle and steering input speed, to improve steering through corner.

Transfers torque to outer wheel in proportion to throttle opening to reduce understeer and improve cornering performance (In cornering under deceleration, reduces oversteer by transferring torque to inside wheel)



and guess what The US spec Evo has neither of these extremely important devices that make it fast whilst the US Spec Sti has had nothing removed and has been uprated for the US Market it also has more power than the US Spec Evo. I also doubt that Subaru Technica International would throw away their tuning philosiphy and produce a lemon of a vehicle that wouldn't beat an EVO that has had its advantages removed do you?

some interesting specs
EVO 8 US SPEC
Horsepower @ rpm (SAE net): 271@6500

WRX Sti
Horsepower 300hp@6000 rpm


Year 2004 2003
Make Subaru Mitsubishi
Model Impreza Lancer
Trim WRX Sti (USA) Evolution (USA)
Transmission 6-speed Manual 5-speed Manual
Theoretical Top Speed 154 mph 153 mph
Limited Top Speed 146 mph

0-30 mph 1.42 s 1.47 s
0-40 mph 2.49 s 2.48 s
0-50 mph 3.39 s 3.49 s
0-60 mph 4.88 s 4.94 s
0-70 mph 6.19 s 6.44 s
0-80 mph 8.19 s 8.49 s
0-90 mph 10.09 s 10.68 s
0-100 mph 12.49 s 13.32 s
0-110 mph 15.88 s 17.04 s
0-120 mph 19.53 s 21.36 s
0-130 mph 24.62 s 26.98 s
0-140 mph 33.44 s 35.40 s
0-150 mph 50.05 s 54.87 s

30-50, 2nd gear 1.67 s 1.85 s

100 ft 2.59 s @ 40.99 mph 2.61 s @ 41.29 mph
500 ft 7.13 s @ 73.92 mph 7.19 s @ 74.36 mph
660 ft (1/8 mile) 8.53 s @ 81.93 mph 8.60 s @ 80.55 mph
1320 ft (1/4 mile) 13.36 s @ 102.25 mph 13.53 s @ 101.36 mph
2640 ft (1/2 mile) 21.27 s @ 123.88 mph 21.62 s @ 120.54 mph
5280 ft (1 mile) 34.74 s @ 141.21 mph 35.31 s @ 139.92 mph
7920 ft (1.5 mile) 47.10 s @ 148.92 mph 47.78 s @ 147.74 mph

So as you can see the times on the left are the US Spec Subaru's and the times on the right are the US EVO's which indicate the EVO is slower so sorry
:finger:

[turbo2nr]

holy sh*t



is all that necessary??