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#1
05-29-2003, 01:22 AM
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Good ol' fasioned comparo-post
Hey guys, I was doing some calculating... Turboing the KA and the SR swap... around 5k each... plus installation
 SR swap is easier considering u dont have to take it apart to add pistons and shit... Actually the ka turbo came to a bit more... I'm lazy Anyway, down to business: How much hp would an SR20DET in an S14 be pushing with the following mods (approximately): SR20DET with 5-speed transmission 3" downpipe Front Mount Intercooler Kit Hi-Flow fuel pump K&N filter and aluminum intake adapter High Flow Catalytic Converter Thanks guys! I hope I get a lot of responses to this, it's sort of necessary for the development of my car. My car wants YOU!
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#2
05-29-2003, 02:54 AM
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Regarding turbo KA...
You don't need to add lower compression pistons or do any internal work... Theres plenty of turbo KA's out there on stock bottom end, just look at TY Yap's (300+) and Rob the Chef's (200+), both are on stock internals and with very good turbo kits... About the SR. All this would matter on how good condition the engine is in, and how much boost you dial in. Lets not forget which SR your talking about (S13, 14, 15...?), many engines will act and behave very differently... -glenn
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#3
05-29-2003, 06:58 AM
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with the level your talking about making the SR, you can get a KA making that kinda HP for about 1500-2000 bucks with some goodies.
edit* Installing a turbocharger on an engine already in the car will be easier then installing a new engine, that is already turbocharged.....
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#4
05-29-2003, 08:24 AM
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well to try and answer your question you can make 210+hp @wheels depending on which sr motor you mod and how much boost you run... i seen a s-15 sr20det make 241@wheels with those mods and running 14psi of boost..
i like the sr20det swap idear but the ka-t is also as good if not better for the price.. and yes as sr20etpower stated you dont need to mod. the internals of a ka24de when you turbo it i've seen them take 10psi saftly.. tat2 jus did a turbo ka-t maybe he can give us some stats on a ka-t conversion..... good times 1
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#5
05-29-2003, 02:04 PM
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Well I meant the S14 SR... At this point, I've looked high and low for parts and the only complete kit I have seen that looks decent is the FMAX one... 4000... plus you'd have to buy your own gauges and turbo timer and stuff... The sr swap came to about the same as the ka, but with all the modifications under the hood for the ka, being all custom, i figured that would be more difficult than a proven diagram that has been used on tens of thousands of cars in japan (stock).
I sort of also just want the sr for better handling... I'm not talking drifting... I'm talking actual handling. I was looking at LM GT4 17x8.5 for the rear and 17x8.0 for the front with yokohama AVS's all around... lol... $$expensive$$ well anyway... i dont know of any shops in OHIO that would do the swap ~OR~ insert a turbo next to my current engine... Anyone wanna help out w/ that? I'm not mechanically inclined at all. well, actually i'm just ignorant in the subject, plus i want a professional job... I need help! lol
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#6
05-29-2003, 06:01 PM
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www.realnissan.com is a good place for a KA turbo kit at a reasonable price. i'm still wondering about the CA18DET tho (for an s13).
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#7
05-29-2003, 07:22 PM
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yup i was just goin to recommend realnissan becusae thats where i got my kit from. i have personally never raced a SR powered 240. but i have driven a few. i've driven one on stock boost with a intake and a intercooler. the car didn't feel that fast to me. however i've met up with the same guy a few months later and he let more drive his car agian. this time he has a walbro fuel pump, a full 3 inch exhuast, and 15lbs of boost. now his car felt much faster. i honestly can't tell you which one is faster right off the top of my head, its pretty close. but remember this, my car right now i turned it back down to 7 psi because i don't feel like running htat high all the time on a stock fuel pump. so my car at 7 lbs feels almsot like his car at 15 lbs. but.... i also have alot more mods then he does too though so its really hard to say.
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#8
05-29-2003, 09:20 PM
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Quote:
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#11
05-29-2003, 09:59 PM
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bahaha Id never buy a Fmax kit.. i think they look FUGLY when finished and nig rigged......wot is it cuZ your black?.........
4k is also an INSANE price!!! The Best looking KA-T manifold I've seen is the Unstable-Hybrids one. T3 flange and ex wastegate standard. All the headers have their own seperate flange to the head as well, which makes it last longer. 550bucks for a decent turbo, 450bucks for the manifold, 225 for a TIAL 35mm wg, 200 for a BOV, 200 for plumbing?... Manual Boost Controller... Air Filter. all that will net u around 200rwhp on 5psi say... with an exhaust system ud probably be around 225. Not bad on stock fuel injectors/ECU/MAF. If you wanted to intially include an Intercooler MANY types can be had for under 400bucks..... get yourself a used SR MAF and used SR injectors OEM, and a Fuel pump for another few hundred and u could turn your boost up to a good 7-9..... after that you would need some serious attention to tuning to turn her up more. Then if you even need more Id recromend an engine build as the last thing to do.
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#12
05-29-2003, 10:03 PM
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Quote:
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#13
05-29-2003, 10:16 PM
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the key to building a good system and cheaply is some intiative and planning.
Another thing I don't like about kits is usually it has parts that come with it standard and you cannot pick what type of things you want. For Instance id only go with certain BOV's/Intercoolers/TIAL wastegate...... some people give u a cheap BOV, a cheap wastegate, and a poorly designed intercooler(I like spearcos hehe). These are the obvious parts you need but there are also little things that people don't talk about much. Like I said swapping on some parts to make it work fine for that level is cool..... build it in steps its cheaper... you will know what you want better, and you will be pleased with yourself. Use a Hacked MAF or just buy a cheap SR MAF someone disgarded for a bigger one and some cheap used SR injectors.... that takes care of your fuel for small PSI's. C H E A P hell you could even get it extremely cheap with a junkyard turbo or such... that would knock of a few hundred just for one part. If I wanted to turbo the car I would get a T3/T4 turbo TIAL 35mm wastegate unstable-hybrids manifold downpipe oil lines filter turbo plumbing new gaskets DSM 1g BOV Basically that is all you will need to get a turbo running. Then upgrade the areas that need to be improved most..... for instance If your only going to run say 9psi now..... don't waiste money rebuilding the engine lol. ur engine will take 9psi its something thats not needed. I would first setup everything and maximize it to its greatest effeciency. somebody with basic knowledge in cars..... basic meaning u know what certain tools are.... have a general understanding in taking things apart... and putting them back together with less pieces =) and which way to screw a screw to tighten it hehe.....Even if its all hand tools.. if u have the tools to get it done installing what I listed is a weekend job.... In a shop with lifts, air tools, and all the conveient items it would take a few hours if all goes to plan. One more thing I think is important to add about modifying a car. Don't modify a sick car.... if theres something on the car that needs to be taken care of... say brake pads are slim or u need an oil change... make sure the car is in tip top mechanical shape and maintained before you start asking more of it...... it will last longer and make you happier.
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#14
05-29-2003, 10:47 PM
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yup, SR is right, don't hook up a sick car, it took me a whole year to fix all the problems in my car and to make sure that shes running good before i can give her the go ahead and added a turbo. i had to fix my transmission problems and i had to fix my cooling problems and i ran a compression test to look for leakdowns and carbon build up. after finding out that my engine is running in such good shape, i'm like thats it, its turbo time!
 but it took over a year though. and SR that 4000 price of a S13 SR black top with front mounted intercooler so the price is right in my opinion. too bad those arne't too fast, and you need to throw down more money to make it faster. but evne at that state, it should be fast enough to take on all stock hondas, and some mildly tuned ones. but you still gotta watch out for modded v-tec preludes or RSX- type S. those are pretty quick for n/a 4 cylinders.
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303whp stock internal KA-T 94 Acura NSX Best E.T. 13.559 Best Trap speed 107.62 mph
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#15
05-30-2003, 07:10 AM
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KA-T rules
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