AE82's

[AE_82Neo]

Hi, is anyone here from australia? if not it doesnt matter, i was just wonderin if you guys could help me. i want to knwo how shoudl i do up my rolla without doin a turbo conversion. it might sound really wierd but a rola is my dream car. what i am thinking of doin with it is puttin a black top 4AGE 20V with the 6 speed that comes with the sprinter half cut. then of course just a K&N and some nice extracters and exhaust. Also some nice wheels and lowered suspension.
it would be gratefully apreciated if u guys (or girls) could help me.

[Moppie]

Hey man! welcome to AF.

Im resonable well versed in the A series engines, and I know a little about rollas.

Are you looking at doing up an AE86? or later one?

[AE_82Neo]

Hey, no it is a earlier one, it is a AE82. i think they are 1982-1987.

[Moppie]

Yeah I ment AE82!!!

any way I have an exam tomorow morning, so ill come back tomorow afo, or on sunday and give you some links to good resource sites.
as well as some general info.

Its not a hard swap if you know what your doing.
and the old 4a is one of the most worked over motors in history.

[AE_82Neo]

Hey,
those sites will be helpful. i have heard that you only have to change an engine mount or something!!!!

[ae82_3sgte]

Hey there,

If you are using one from an AE86 you may have issues since its mounted N-S, the starter maybe in the wrong positon. You want one from an AE101/111 Levin GT-Apex.
AE101 is silvertop, and AE111 is blacktop 20V (some w/ 6-speed trans).
Where in Australia arey ou located?
I have a 3SGTE going into my corolla at the moment, being slowly stripped.

But 20V is nice for long cruises, has awesome top-end power. It should bolt straight up on your current mounting brackets, you will have an issue with the speedo possibly also. And you will need the 20V ecu to controll the quad throttle bodies and vvt. This will require wiring it all up, the hardest part, anyhow conversion should take you a week max. 1 WHole weekend if you got the wiring done before hand =]]

[Moppie]

Damn! I completly forgot about this!!

Ok first up the 20vlave will bolt as in the engine mounts will fit, but the distrubter in on the back of the head, rather than on the side, this means it interfers with the firewall. Then only solution is to cut a hole in the firewall that the dizzy can fit into.
Personaly I would stay away from the 20V, not many people know alot about them, and if you want to tune it, it could be diffcult.

Go with a 4agze from a Trueno/sprinter, It will again drop straight in, and there are no worries with clearance.
You'll need to find a T50 g/box and a bellhousing to make it all fit, but they are out there. Run a frount mounted intercooler and use the factory ECU, so make sure you get one that hasn't had the wiring loom cut up.
Changing the diff to a shortened Hilux one is also a VERY good idea, the stock one will not last long, and most of the Hilux diffs are LSD.

It's also a lot easier to start with an injected car, other wise you need to run fuel lines and new fuel pump etc.

And don't forget suitable suspension and brake upgrades.



Ill come back and ad more as I think about it.

[ae82_3sgte]

Moppie,

I think he wants to source a 20V off a FR AE86 and fit it into his FF AE82.
He shouldnt have any issues at all since its straight bolt up. Only the wiring and piping may be of concern thats all.

It uses the same engine mounts and X-Member mounts also, same driveshafts, etc.

[ae82_3sgte]

Moppie,

Also here lots of people know about 20V so they are pretty good to fit!!!

[AE_82Neo]

Hey guys,
thanx for replying. ok, i was thinkin of usin a 20v blacktop and the 6 speed trans from the half cut of the AE111 levin.

hey 3sgte, is the dude that is doin the transplant, is his name Micheal Castro?. if so i have an issue of fast fours that has a story bout this micheal fella putin a MR2 3sgte in a AE82. it also says that he does it for other people so i thought straight away that you are doin it through him.

I live in Brisbane, northern suburbs near strathpine.

I was thinkin about the supercharged 4AGZE. because later in the future i would turbo charge it wit a Garret t25 roller bearing.

I will keep the hilux diff in mind. i wanted an LSD and i was just planning when i actually got the car to put in the TRD LSD. but then i thought about the cost.

Suspensionm i was thinkin Konis shocks with king springs, and brakes i was lookin at a set of TRD calipers and pads. DBA slotted and drilled rotors.

Neo

[Moppie]

Originally posted by ae82_3sgte
Moppie,

I think he wants to source a 20V off a FR AE86 and fit it into his FF AE82.
He shouldnt have any issues at all since its straight bolt up. Only the wiring and piping may be of concern thats all.

There is no RWD 20v, the AE86 only came with a 16valve N/A 4age
The 20vlave 4age only come out in the 92+ Trueno's/Levins, and other FWD Corrola derivitives.
Yes it will bolt straight into any AE82- FWD Corrola, but you still have trouble with the wiring loom and plumping fuel for Fuel injection, unless its newer car.
Beside's if hes putting it in a FWD corrola from the early 80s well then thats just stupid, howver if you reread his post and read the post below its pretty obvious he's not.



AE_82NeoAs I said above the 20valve require modifying the fire wall to make the 20valve fit. Iv seen it done on an AE86 rally car, but on a road car with sound deadening and carpet inside, as well the standard pedal box it can get tricky. I think you might also encounter some problems getting something like that complianced in Aussie.
I don't think its worth messing around with the 20valve, there isnt that much of a power gain over what you can get form a 16v engine with only some good cams and head porting.

If you want to go N/A then stick with a 16v 4age. Take it to any compentent engine tuner and tell them how much hp you want, and what sort of torque curve you would like. They are good for 180hp on carbs and 200hp with injection and still be street drivable. (although they will be very lumpy, and not fun in heavy traffic). There's no need to use TRD cams or any expensive aftermarket bits. There are enough cam profiles out there for less money, and the tuner will be able to choose one, or even create one for you, and get it ground.
About 160hp is a nice number to aim for if you want a more dialy driven engine that will be easier to live with. In the light weight AE82 it will still be VERY fast!

If your going Forced Induction then get hold of a 4agze from a post 92 levin or Trueno. The older engines like the one in the S/C MR2 use a MAF sensor, and a single coil distrubtor to get about 130-140hp. The later post 92 engines have a MAP sensor and twin coil elictronic ingnition and put out 160hp stock.
You could bolt one of these in and use the stock ECU with out any trouble, and 160hp with an awsome power curve will keep you happy for a long time. When you get bored of it, add a Turbo aim for 180-90hp, then you can still use stock ECU, Fuel, internals etc. above 190hp it starts to get expensive.

Believe it not, but the hardest thing you have trouble finding will be a bellhousing and flywheel to convert the transverse 4agze into a RWD set up and use the T50 gearbox.

I need to have a good clean out of my bookmarks, but I will find those ites for you.

[ae82_3sgte]

Neo,

Michael Castro is a clown, i dont understand his logic, also I am doing this myself and not through anybody. Another mate in WA is also doing one, we plan to show up Michael Castro, his job is way dodgy, I dont feel like explaining why, basically because a MR2 halfcut is pointless to source all the parts from. Im using a ST185 GT4 cut for all my parts.

Im in Sydney, Western Suburbs.

Its not that hard to fit, just the custom work involved for it all thats all.

[AE_82Neo]

Fella's,
In the story they said that his job was good, but i suppose that is so other people will get theres done through him. Damn, do u know anyone from brisbane who has done up a nice rolla? There is a nice one a few minutes away from where i live. But cos i am 16, if i go up to him he will tell me to piss off.

GT4, that is the 4 wheel drive version isnt it?

Damn, your in Sydney, i wanted to see your rolla.

Me and Dad are building a westfield sports car.It uses a silver or black top 4AGE, T50 gearbox, Escort rear diff. If you dont know it is a clubman. That is where i got the idea to put a 4AGE in a rolla, but i want to put in the 6 speed from half cut so i get the gearbox and engine with it.

Neo

[ae82_3sgte]

Neo,

Not saying his job wasnt good, it was detailed well, i Just think the way he has done it and a lot of little things were done without thought. Not going to go into them as ive had a long afternoon replaciong the front bushes on my rolla, only done one of the control arms. gotta do the other tomorrow, had a few little hiccups but worked them out.
GT4 is 4WD 2L Turbo yes. Mine is from teh ST185 model, being 90-93, its the model with the popup headlights, bonnet scoop and slatted grill.

I was in brisbane a month and a half back
might be up there sometime early next year
but i gotta get my car finished first then ill worry about holidays hehe.

Anyhows if you need any help with anything or have questions send me an email.

[email protected]

[Moppie]

Originally posted by AE_82Neo


Me and Dad are building a westfield sports car.It uses a silver or black top 4AGE, T50 gearbox, Escort rear diff. If you dont know it is a clubman. That is where i got the idea to put a 4AGE in a rolla, but i want to put in the 6 speed from half cut so i get the gearbox and engine with it.

IM building a Lynx Twincam powered by a 4agze with a T50 and a combination of Nissan and Mazda Read end. (180Bdiff, and 4wd 323 rear suspension). Its not quite as complex as a Westfield, as its based on a Triumph Herald chassis, but with the old 2tge in it when I first got it, it maganged to suprise a few members of the Club Lotus NZ.


Neo: What type of Corrola are you talking about here? a Frount wheel drive one? or a Rear wheel drive Trueno?
Dropping a 20valve with a 6sp into a FWD Corrola is not that hard. However making it run and run well will be. You will have huge problems with chassis flex, suspension and brakes etc...
If its going into a RWD Trueno then the 20v will not be an easy swap, but a 4agze will be. However you will have to use a T50, or find a custom bell housing to run one of the Supra boxs. If you want a 6sp, forget it, the cost of a RWD Supra 6sp is horrendus. (and the one that comes with the 20v is FWD only.)
You will still have to fiddle around with new Fuel pump, and if it was orginaly a carberated car new fuel lines, but theres plenty of room to work in an AE82/86. Suspension will need upgrading but there are plenty of choices here, any good suspension shop will be able to find springs and shocks to suit your needs. Replacing the rear diff with an LSD Hilux one is also not tha hard, and you also get the bigger brakes from the Hilux.

ae82_3sgte is your talking about a Celica, and fitting an engine into it from a 4WD Turbo GT4. Its a much easier swap then putting a 4age into a RWD Trueno/Corrola. (levin)