Giant ticket, almost went to jail. Help...

[Grendel]

On another note, my dads boss got pulled over going to Vegas, I think he was doing around 120... He already had a bad record, and had to hire a lawyer to fight to keep his liscense...

I guess if you have the money you can do whatever you want... thats kinda how America works eh? *shrugs*

-Grendel

[DMC12]

Originally posted by boingo82
You don't like it, then feel free to leave.

The Man 0wnz j00!

[darkness]

Originally posted by DMC12




The Man 0wnz j00!

Right

[DMC12]

Originally posted by boingo82
Why didn't YOU stop to think about that BEFORE you drove above the limit. YOU knowingly and intentionally broke the law. This time they caught you. It's not the cops' job to make sure you have a license, and it's not their job to make sure your insurance is cheap. You want to drive fast, go to a track. If you are going to drive fast or dangerously on public streets, you are accepting the risk of getting caught, and with that, the risk of losing your license and paying many $$$ insurance. You weighed those risks and still decided to drive above the limit. Now stand up and accept the consequences you have brought upon yourself.

Blind faith to the lawmakers... good! I'm sure that is what they want. That is what Hitler dreamed of... a nation of lemmings like you. It is not my intention of this post to blindly insult you, but please step out of yourself & listen to what you said! You are just a "parrothead", as the famous musical group sang about so many years ago.

I was not driving fast, and I was not driving recklessly. These "speed" laws we have are arbitrary and pointless; they seem to exist to increase the bank accounts of The Man! A few generations ago, there was no "Maximum speed" law. In at least one state, they have taken the law away, and you can drive according to the prevailing conditions. Moving to another state/country is futile. You can run from these types of Communist beliefs, but you can't hide. Sooner or later, they will come to your town/state/country and police you into submission... just as the US is doing in other countries.

[TerminalVelocity]

Well, unless your talking about having a revolution for the laws on the roads, then yah. But heres a thought, if you have it for prevaling conditions only youll have a bustass civic with balding tires going 100, your cars can do 100 DMC12, mine can, most peoples here can, but some peoples cant, and they would need to be slowed down

also, cops could say "your going too fast" and it would be their choice, not yours for the conditions.

That would allow for more of a dictatorship type rulling.

But in another sence, I do agree that alot of these speedlimits are full of shit, and if the car/driver can take it, maby a second set of speed limits would be acceptable? And also on the 10 where you were, where its open road and sand, 100 is a fine speed.

Also I agree that when we speed, when we race, we know the risks. Its a game we play when we play in traffic, if we get caught, they were the better player. :bandit:

[taranaki]

Originally posted by DMC12



Blind faith to the lawmakers... good! I'm sure that is what they want. That is what Hitler dreamed of... a nation of lemmings like you. It is not my intention of this post to blindly insult you, but please step out of yourself & listen to what you said! You are just a "parrothead", as the famous musical group sang about so many years ago.

I was not driving fast, and I was not driving recklessly. These "speed" laws we have are arbitrary and pointless; they seem to exist to increase the bank accounts of The Man! A few generations ago, there was no "Maximum speed" law. In at least one state, they have taken the law away, and you can drive according to the prevailing conditions. Moving to another state/country is futile. You can run from these types of Communist beliefs, but you can't hide. Sooner or later, they will come to your town/state/country and police you into submission... just as the US is doing in other countries.

Sorry,but this is totally wrong.Any argument that relies on comparing your opponent to an historical tyrant is fundamentally weak - to compare your opponent to tyranny from both ends of the spectrum is simply ridiculous.if you can't make an argument stand on its own two feet,you need to look at its basic premise and rethink your approach.

Laws are made in democratic society,not for the common utility,but to protect us from the weak.Often they are a difficult pill to swallow,and the point at which the line is drawn may seem to be arbitrary.Often,bad laws are passed for no other reason than political expediency.But the laws built on sound principles are the ones that endure,in whatever form is deemed most suited to the times.

The first laws on motor vehicle speed were so draconian as to beggar belief.Largely motivated by the political lobbying of horse-drawn transport interests,they required all self-propelled vehicles to be escorted by a man on foot carrying a red flag!While the limits have thankfully been repeatedly relaxed(and occasionally tightened),the principle of law has endured,for the simple reason that it makes sense.

While you may well believe that the law in your location does not reflect your level of skill,or the mechanical capabilities of your vehicle,the law is not written soley for you.Factors such as traffic density,pedestrian density,overall condition of roads ,vehicles,and driver skills all play a part.The most telling statistic is that of the number of 'accidents'.Most of these events can be diminished or eliminated,simply by reducing speed.

If you choose to exceed the speed limit,and get caught, expect no sympathy from me.The police officer gets my sympathy for doing his best to keep you alive,and getting damn-all thanks from you in return.

[boingo82]

Well said Mr. T. I went searching all over the 'net for facts to back up my stance, and got so engrossed that only hours later am I returning to this thread to reply to DMC12.

DMC12:
I see you have assumed that I choose to obey the law out of blind faith, but on the contrary, it is out of educated respect. As Taranaki said, the law is not written for every person on the road, but to protect the majority of us from the stupid minority. However it is vital that everyon e follow the law, as studies have shown that those who stray furthest from the median speed of traffic, whether faster or slower, are those most likely to cause (and possibly be involved in) an accident. And so you're aware, speed limit laws came into effect very shortly after the advent of motor vehicles, not just "a few generations ago". It was in Connecticut that the first speed limit was imposed: 15 mph on country highways, 12 in the city. They did not exist prior to that because humans posessed nothing capable of exceeding what was deemed to be a reasonable speed.

I have chosen not to exceed the speed limit based on many personal experiences, and several scientific findings. Personal experiences:
a. 2 car accidents, both caused by others violating the laws and both entirely unavoidable by me.
b. Numerous near misses caused by others violating various laws, barely avoidable by me.
c. Incidences where people were violating little more than common sense, but nearly caused my death. (The unsecured 12 foot extension ladder falling off a flatbed truck and penetrating the radiator of the vehicle in front of me comes to mind. This was, of course, in a 75 mph zone. Had the ladder hit a foot higher it would have killed the driver.)
Scientific findings:
a. Because of inertia, stopping distance is exponential in relation to speed. If speed doubles, required stopping distance quadruples, and this is NOT INCLUDING the distance covered while the brakelights in front of you activate, the light travels to your eyes, they send the information to your brain, your brain processes the information, sends a signal to your right foot, which moves off the accelerator and presses on the brakes, and the brakes engage. The preceding takes approximately 1.5 seconds, during which time you have travelled 165 feet, assuming you were going 75 mph. Based on the data obtained from independent sources NOT propogated by "the man" (because as we all know "the man" is evil and spends his time trying to stop all our "harmless" fun ) I have decided that obeying the law is in my best interest. I know enjoy leisurely driving in traffic, watching people who are in a hurry zip along past me and then get stuck next to me at one light after another.

b. http://www.batesville.k12.in.us/phys...gDistData.html

c. http://www.scottsdalelaw.com/shepston/braking.html
d. http://www.amasci.com/amateur/traffic/traffic1.html
You remind me of someone who sits by a lion's cage, jabbing at its eyeballs, and then cries when it bites off your arm. And then of course, you go back for more. You know the lion bites, and poking its eyes IS fun, but is it smart? And then you come whining to us because the lion bit off your last limb, why didn't he think of how hard it would be for you to hold down a job with no limbs?

I used to speed around with no regard, then I figured out the math of things and realized that saving 4 minutes off a 50 mile commute by going 20 over wasn't worth it. Maybe one day you will grow up too.

Regards,

boingo82

[Melt]

Jeez, you sound like my dad. Most of the speed limits in Napa (where I live) are all crap. There is a main throughfare in my town (soscol ave) where the speed limit is 40. But a similar throughfare in Sacramento (sunset Dr) the speed limit is 55. What the hell. And wide open roads (I use I-5 as an example) have no good reason for having a speed limit at all (except near towns / overpasses)

Over the past week I have done a lot of driving. I have gone to Sacarmento and back twice this last week, in each instance doing 80 in a 65 zone while people are still PASSING me, I just set the cruise contol.

I also went to Chico, and while on 505 (connector between 80 and 5) I was doing 90 in a 70 with people still PASSING me.

Basically, I will speed as long as I am not the fastest car. Maybe I should have gone faster on 505 because it isnt air patrolled as good as I5. But the threat that there may be a cop still is there, and I chose to go a reasonable speed over the limit, and I traveled at a speed safe for conditions.

Also, people that go REAL FAST a lot, you need to consider the wear an tear on your car. A while ago someone in the 88-91 Civic/crx forum posted about how they were going about 130 for a 1/2 hr straight and the engine blew. Is the saved time really worth a new engine? I think not (other than for people with Civic DX's *joking*)

[taranaki]

Originally posted by Melt
Jeez, you sound like my dad.

Presumably he is a smart enough guy to have lived this long.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t53892.html

Speed doesn't neccesarily kill.......but stupid insistence that the law is not there for your safety will get you in the end.

[carnut]

country driving. Melt, a while back I was driving through the Napa country side on a small 2 lane road through the middle of a small town looking for a place to stop and rest when the local cop followed me through the town. My car had headers and turbo mufflers so I drove really slow, right at the speed limit of 25 mph. I didn't want to spend the night in Mayberry's finest public hotel.

On the other hand, I was driving to Temecula, another wine country area this time in Southern California to attend a training class. Driving on the 15 freeway at 85 mph in the SLOW LANE as the semi tractor trailers were OVERTAKING ME! For a week of driving that stretch, I never saw one semi pulled over for doing more than 90 mph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[DMC12]

Perhaps my original post was a bit too brief for the great minds here at AF. I may have come across as "stupid" when I tried to convey emotion in my post. Every time I make an intelligent post on AF, I'm ripped to shreds so I no longer put too much effort into posting here.

The men & women of the law enforcement agencies here in America have the ability to enforce the law to their discretion. This leaves some of the accountability on the shoulders of the individual officer. They have the choice to let things be, let someone go with a warning, or haul someone off to jail.

The speed limits define the maximum speed on a particular roadway. These limtis are notoriously set lower than the road allows, just to keep the "stupid" people from killing themselves. It is the officer's discretion to asses the situation... determine if someone is truely going too fast for the prevailing conditions.

In my case, the prevailing conditions allowed for speeds in excess of 130 MPH. Although I did not even approach this speed, I was still within a reasonable and safe speed. The road I speak of is desolate. It was designed to land B-1 Bombers bombers without incident...

This was no commute during rush hour either, and I was not trying to shave 5 minutes off a drive. My driving record is impeccable, and my driving skills are excellent.

The comments about police doing there part to save our lives is the only stupid thing on this thread... Why live if life is in some kind of "plastic bubble"? Why would anyone want to live in a world that is so safe that it is boring, sterile and void of freedom? In such "safe" settings, the only activity that prevails is the degradation of fellow beings such as in Columbine. It seems that when us humans have nothing else to do, we turn on ourselves and destroy each other. The funny-looking humans get picked on by the not-so-funny-looking humans, until there is bloodshed in any way feasible. Humanity cannot be stamped out. Life cannot be shaped into the ideal society that a few people want it to be.

Yet it seems that every day, more and more freedom is being taken away, and we wonder why people walk into Airports and start shooting strangers. Yes, take away a person's ability to think on their own, to have fun, to do whatever it is they need to do, and see what happens. Our president is right, we will see more terrorism in the future, but placing more restrictions on humans isn't the answer! Perhaps the majority of AF members cannot handle themselves at high speeds. But isn't that for them to decide? Why do the talented have to be "dumbed down" for "society" to "operate". That just sounds inhumane to me... Yeah, lets make everyone on the same level as some accident-prone degenerate! Wait, that has already happened in U.S. public schools. Oh wait, I think we all know the effects of that... low test scores, rampant drug use, graduates that are dumber than shit. Now, to me that doesn't sounds good at all. So yeah, make me into this "stupid" guy who doesn't know anything and drives a car from a company that went out of business, and can't drive over a snails-pace, and looks funny, and isn't Fabio, and on and on and on... and we'll see just how "safe" the other drivers are on the road when I finally lose it from all this B.S. and snap!!! Oh, and don't just think its me... listen to the latest Eminen album lately? See his record sales? Apparently there are millions of people who are just freakin' tired of getting the short end of the stick!

In the end, there is no ideal society or Utopia... so don't try to create it. People must be left to do what they feel is right. There is no reason for government to interact except in extreme cases... I think that sending out officers to enforce "safe speeds" with an iron fist is hardly a good allocation of government time/ tax money/ manpower. While I was getting written up, I guarantee you that within a 200-mile radius someone was being beaten, someone was robbed, someone had their soul just ripped out, someone took their own life, and someone murdered their baby. But of course, my "crime" takes precendence over all those "petty" crimes.

[Melt]

I agree, why dont the cops spend time on shit that matters like .... Uhh, I cant think of anything that really matters other than murderers and theft and big shit like that.

Shit they should stop policing
- Speed limits
- Underage Drinking (we are going to do it anyway)
- Drugs (again people are going to do them anyway)


AND PEOPLE, PLEASE TELL ME WHY THE U.S. ISNT ENTITLED TO AUTOBAHNS?!? I-5, I-10, I-80 IN SOME PLACES, AND OTHER SUCH HIGHWAYS HAVE NO REASON FOR HAVING A LIMIT!

[DMC12]

Originally posted by Melt
I-5, I-10

Agreed. Sure the I-5 & I-10 pass through L.A., but they also pass through... nothingness! Way outside the city, there are literally HOURS where you drive without seeing anything. There are no curves, no pedestrians, NOTHING!

[Dustin_S]

Hey Melt, by How much does that MASSIVE speaker increase your braking distance?

J/K, man, I'm keeping my nose out of the physics/political aspect of this thread.
About the speaker, what kinda power are you putting through that thing?
(that is, I'm assuming that's your car?)

[TerminalVelocity]

Excelently put DMC12, and with that, I agree...I couldnt say anything more because I feel you said it all.

I think cops should enforce speed laws etc, but be more leanent on areas like the 10 where its nothing but desert and no cars. The 5 through la is a good place to go 55, not 100, but through the desert? I mean come on.