M3 Opponents

[Marvelous3]

I will put down pushrod engines till the day I die...they are inefficient and have emitions out the wazoo.

Euro engines are superior to American engines...they figured out a long time ago you can make a smaller engine make just as much power as a stupid V8 by switching from pushrods to cams.

The 427Hemi was introduced as Dodge's way to go fast in the 60's, it is a shame they still have the same philosophy almost 50 years later. Vipers are cool but get little respect from me...Flame me all you want but as you said before, a Ford V8 breaking rods at 6000RPM without forced induction is pathetic

[vortech]

well what can you do-------the engine was made for only 320hp ----- and wasn't made for aggressive tuning----but Ford isn't the only other company that has had problems with the engines. Besides, the engine failures---were like I said----due to tuning them. In stockform, they did OK. But I won't argue about that-----because even I agree that the internals used in the DOHC, except for the 03----were crap. Can't argue about something that is very true.

[vortech]

you probably aren't an old muscle car fan----since you do put down the pushrods. But like I said---they were the predecessors to the fuel injected engines. I think todays Euro engines are becoming to high tech----but I can't argue that they are pretty efficient. But the pushrod goes hand in hand with the nasty exhaust growlers that we build-----not so sissy w000000000000ng sounding imports that sound like an engine in total distress. The pushrod transcends a culture and period of time---where you didn't need to have luxuries like heated seats----and heated mirrors.

[Deakins]

Originally posted by vortech
but the RS6 and S4 only outhandle the M3 in your dreams. The M3 is still superior in handling----like I said before it even exceeds the performance of the M5. You are falling in love with horsepower numbers-----and thats not the basis of what I was arguing. Don't be foolish about what you are claiming-----Crazyjay knows what has already been shown to be fact.

Ok, lets stick to facts: SportAuto tested the RS6 and the M5 around Nürburgring: Audi RS6 8:20, BMW M5 8:28.
And around Hochenheim: Audi RS6 1:17.5, BMW M5 1:18.5.
As far as I know, the fastest stock E46 BMW M3 around Nürburgring used 8:22.

Straight from Autocar: "Learn to work your way through the inconsistencies of the steering and you can carry so much more speed into the corners, knowing that the S4 has plenty of adhesion, that it's easy to use all the power. In contrast the M3 is twichy, awkward, demanding concentration, and noticeably slower."

[lowridder11]

Thats is because Audi uses Quatro

[vortech]

sportauto stated that----thats one testers opnions-----while many others don't feel the same way about the conclusions on the handling. You are basing your remarks on one postive review----though AutoSport is very credible----its still only one opinion. The M3 garners better reviews over the two vehicles in question by other publications.

[merc50]

Hmmmm, no one has said the words GTO yet. Aussie quality with American muscle...maybe sorta worth looking at against the M3 since this is what the thread is all about?

[vortech]

that car will be interesting when it hits the ground here in the states. I hope its more than a paper pleaser witht he 350 + horsepower-----hopefully--it will have some mean performance----but being Pontiac---that might be wishful thinking-----but I still think---the GTO will kick some ass for a $35K car.

[crayzayjay]

350bhp for $35k is a lot of bang for your buck! yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaa!!!!

[lowridder11]

If Pontiac can figure out how to put that much power in a car

[vortech]

will make a good deal of power-------from everything I've read-----its going to be using almost the same 5.7L that used to be in the firebird & Camaro----and those were easily modded to make over 350hp without a blower.

[lowridder11]

Still... I am a fan of the GTO and all but the new one is a bit scetchy. A camaro engin? I thought it would be more like a Mustang. Will it come in convertible. Now, that I think about it. I might consider buying one(compared to a Z4)

[vortech]

its definetely using a 5.7L engine----and in Australia----where the car sold as a Holden Monaro---there was no convertible. With the current design---I don't think it would look good at all as a convertible.

[lowridder11]

I think it would look ok as a convertible or "T" top.

[vortech]

the coupe is gonna look pretty bangin if its got some nive chrome rims, performance tires, and tint. The Austrailian model was pretty low to the ground and aggressive looking----thats gonna work real nice here in the states. I think that car is going to sell a shitload of units in the states.