chevy engine in a ford...

[tturnpaw]

Originally Posted by victimizati0n

hahahahahahah that is the funniest thing i have ever read.

Also, how was i starting a flame war, i totally backed myself up by saying people put ford 9" on chevys.

Thanks silver, for taking your time and saying that.

Its alright, but dont stick around in ford forums and talk shit about us when u go out of ur way to annoy us. Stay with your chevys and someday you will become a lover of all cars and own a nice ford and become a fan like the rest of us.

[victimizati0n]

Originally Posted by tturnpaw

Its alright, but dont stick around in ford forums and talk shit about us when u go out of ur way to annoy us. Stay with your chevys and someday you will become a lover of all cars and own a nice ford and become a fan like the rest of us.

I wasnt trying to annoy anyone.

Also, ford rocker arms are better than chevys, my BBC book says they are (or were.. the book is over 30 yrs old)

[351wStang]

For years and years ford and chevy have swapped parts. There are chevy wrist pins in ford pistons and wayyy back in the day chevy guys ran type F tranny fluid in their chevy auto trannys to make them shift harder/later. This stuff has been going on for years and will continue to.

However, I do not agree with putting a 350sbc in a little ol' shelby, even though most of the 1's you see these days are kit cars. C'mon surely someone can find a 427SOHC or even 427/428 CJ or SCJ for these things...

[duplox]

FYI, a large reason to put an SBC in a '32 Ford like you always see is because the chevy motor is a decent bit shorter than the SBF. SBFs are a tad too long.. but with short water pumps(or just running an electric pump) a Ford will fit... its probably more force of habit nowadays, and its rare to see a really creatively done 32. Overdone IMHO. Tons of other cool odd cars that would make awesome and unique hotrods, and isnt that the whole point of building a hotrod? Not just being another guy with an SBC powered, overchromed, $5000 paintjob 32 ford...

[duplox]

Originally Posted by 351wStang

However, I do not agree with putting a 350sbc in a little ol' shelby, even though most of the 1's you see these days are kit cars. C'mon surely someone can find a 427SOHC or even 427/428 CJ or SCJ for these things...

427SOHC in a shelby! Better have some DEEEEEP pockets! Like a few hundred grand deep...

[351wStang]

Originally Posted by duplox

427SOHC in a shelby! Better have some DEEEEEP pockets! Like a few hundred grand deep...

Lol. I was being sarcastic.

But I do know where there are 5 427SOHC's still in the crate from ford (1967?) not sure what year they are or even what year ford made the motor with the longest timing chain I've ever seen (6').

There is a guy around here my dad knows who has a real shelby. He found it in a barn and had it restored. I think he has somewhere around $80,000 in it, maybe it was $180,000. Not sure.

[duplox]

Haha seriously... Those are some expensive motors and some expensive cars. Probably a like-new condition SOHC would fetch as much as a like-new shelby, possibly more. They're certainly rarer.

[DRW1000]

Originally Posted by 351wStang

I hate to say it man but you are wrong here. Yes chevy did make a 302, and yes this was before the ford 302. But they are two totally different engines, design and all. All they have in common is that they are small block V8 engines that measure out to 302 cubic inches. Ford did not buy/borrow/steal/sneak/ or anything else their 302. The two are completely different.

I think the Chev 302 came out in 67 and lasted until 70. It was the maximum displacement for a particular race (Trans am???). Apparently it was a great engine. The 302 inch maximum went away in 71 and since Chev had the 327 they dropped the 302. The Chevrolet 302 was created by using a 327 block and a 283 Crankshaft. The 283's first year was 1957 and the first year for the 327 was 1963.

Ford's 302 stated in 68. It does have pretty much the same bore and stroke as the Chevrolet but of course it was based on the Windsor block that was previously the 289 and the 260 and 221 before that.

The Windsor block was introduced in 1962 as a 221. It was bored out from 3.5 to 3.8 to create the 260 in 1963 and to 4.0" to create the 289.
In 1968 the connecting rods were shortened and the displacment became the famous 302.


Definately different engines. I think the Ford 302 is actually 301.59 Inhces too.

So in reality Chevy copied Ford.

[TheStang00]

thats some good info

[goodmana]

You know what they say, Ford tough with Chevy stuff.
I have a 85' Mustang 351W 5spd man. 1/4 mile time 11.3 seconds
and a 84, GT350 with a 350SBC 6spd man. 1/4mile time 10.5seconds

The chevy motor was cheaper to build up and has less problems mechanically.

[SkylineUSA]

Originally Posted by goodmana

I have a 85' Mustang 351W 5spd man. 1/4 mile time 11.3 seconds
and a 84, GT350 with a 350SBC 6spd man. 1/4mile time 10.5seconds

The chevy motor was cheaper to build up and has less problems mechanically.

What cam does the Chevy have? What kind of milage do you get? What gears does it run?

What more problems do you have with the Ford? Just curious.

[DRW1000]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

thats some good info

Except that they must have changed the stroke via the Crank as shortening the connecting rods would not do that in itself.

(And I was kidding about chev copying Ford)

[Rod&Custom]

I am building a custom('49 Ford) with a friend right now(weird relationship, I am 16, and he is 65), and had to make this exact decision. The car is his, and he is paying for it all, so ultimately it is his decision, but of course, I gave him my input. I already had a small block chevy at my house that I was about to rebuild, so we decided to use that. We both wanted a 5.0 fuelie, but that would cost much more. My sbc turned out needing bored, and he didn't want to go through replacing all of the pricey parts, so we scrapped it. The next idea was to get the cheapest 350 crate. These are available at just $1200, so that is a big reason that rodders go sbc. These motors are reliable, fairly cheap, and have a 1 year warranty. He ends up finding an '89 LTD with an efi 5.0 for $200, so he buys it. We are currently performing the swap right now, and hope to retain all of the fuel injection, but may just end up slapping a carb on it and calling it a day. We had the sbc mocked up already, and she fit great! The new 5.0 however doesn't. There is no room for the radiator, the tranny is eating up floor space like no tommorow, and the tunnel will have to be drastically changed. The firewall may have to be recessed, and the column shifter linkage hits the manifold....We are still working with it, but it is a headache. He has said countless times now, "see why I wanted a chevy?", and I do! Oh, and no motor mounts are fitting. He solved the shifter issue with tighter fitting headers, but the rest remain. These are just some of the reasons that rodders like to go with chevy motors. Also, there are many, many parts set up for hotrods to swap in sbc's, whereas the ford market is much smaller. It will all be worth it when I hear the fuelie roar through the open lake pipes, but it has been a struggle! Hope this clears up the question a bit.

[SVTcobra306]

No, you were right about Chevy copying Ford. The Chevy 302 came out in the 69 Z-28 IIRC. And yes, it was for Trans Am Racing. Basically a 5.0 liter size motor was required, and the body style/engine had to be commercially available on 2500 or more street cars.

This led to the outcome of the Boss 302, the Z-28 Camaro, and the AMC Mark Donahue Javelin and upgrade from a 290-304 motor in '70. I don't know what Ma Mopar's version was, they were more interested in go-fast on the superspeedways anyway.

So Ford did have the original 302 in '68. Camaro's came with 327's prior to the outcome of theirs in '69. Both (302 SBC and 327) were darn good motors. (and this is coming from a hardcore Ford/AMC guy).

My running joke is that it takes brains to tune a Ford, any idiot can get power out of a Chevy.

I disagree on the Chevy heads being better, you don't see Ford guys at a circle track spraying off their radiator and praying to get the temp down so the heads don't crack when they heat soak....

Oh, and a few posts back, someone flamed a guy that mentioned a 5.0, Hello, buddy, the 5.0 is a 302. (you oughtta see the "technologically more advanced" ricers hang their heads when I remind them my '94 has a motor designed in 1968.....)

[DRW1000]

Originally Posted by SVTcobra306

So Ford did have the original 302 in '68. Camaro's came with 327's prior to the outcome of theirs in '69. Both (302 SBC and 327) were darn good motors. (and this is coming from a hardcore Ford/AMC guy).

I think you hit it on the head though.........Beign a Ford guy but admiring the Chevs. I think a true car guy (or gal I suppose) has to see the good and bad across the board. My favourite is a 70 429 Stang but I have to admire the camaros of the times including the 302.

I think what bothers me most is that Chev dropped the 302 so soon. The 305 was apparently created as an economy motor by destroking a 350. It is an understroked engine and the bore and stroke ratio is not at a typical performance ratio but they spent a lot of effort trying to get it close to the performance of the Ford 302 in the late 80s (but of course never could). Kind of makes you wish they just re-introduced their 302.

I think Ford got very lucky in that the 302 was available and in production when the small block became the king in around 1985 and Chev had to scramble to get their 305 up to par.