Panda 2.0 vs Pontiac Firebird V6

[91300zxtt]

Originally Posted by GritMaster

OMG MY EYES!

Uhhh.... yeah.... I think someone just got owned.

nope, i see no one getting owned, i see a few people with some brown on their noses tho

[kman10587]

GritMaster, you're too excitable

[-The Stig-]

Originally Posted by 91300zxtt

nope, i see no one getting owned, i see a few people with some brown on their noses tho

He said they did well in G-stock. Yet no F-body's are present at the Nationals.

[TatII]

you also gotta remember yes in theory a larger displacement engine should make more power, but you gotta look at the way the heads and ports flow. i'm pretty sure a SR20DET would flow more air since it has 16 valves as oppose to having just 12 on the 3.8 liter engine. also the heads on SR's flows very very well. and even though the SR makes 544whp it should make a tq figure very close to it since its a perfectly squared engine. so its tq should still be in the 500's.

[camaroincal]

Originally Posted by ac427cpe

G Stock Drivers: 41 Trophies:11
T 1 199 Robert Carpenter 01 Toyota Celica Blue Kumho 53.598 53.575 53.506 106.884
[99] Knoxville, TN Volunteers X-ray, Kumho, Evo 63.100(2) 53.881 53.378
T 2 26 Ian Baker 02 Mini Cooper S Red Hoosier 59.550(2) 53.585 54.519 108.369
[126] Herndon, VA Mini Mania/CG Lock 55.520 54.802 54.784 -1.485
T 3 94 Mike Lillejord 03 Toyota Celica GT Yellow 54.919 53.988 53.883 108.413
Redmond, WA Team Pajama 56.836 56.151 54.530 -0.044
T 4 184 Alan McCrispin 03 Mini CooperS Blue Hoosier 53.672 56.227(1) 53.915 108.528
[84] Huntsville, AL Mini of Charleston/MINIUSA.COM 56.119 55.997 54.856 -0.115
T 5 99 Jim Zeisler 01 Toyota Celica Blue Kumho 54.331 54.227 54.221 108.998
[199] Harrison, OH Rite Track Racing 56.021 56.435 54.777 -0.470
T 6 191 Rob Foley 00 Toyota Celica GT White Hoosier 56.564(1) 53.556 54.824 109.197
[91] Randolph, NJ HUOA Racing 57.297 57.769 55.641 -0.199
T 7 198 Craig Wilcox 04 Mini Cooper S D. Silver Hoosier 54.133 54.187 53.973 109.251
[98] Blue Springs, MO Jackie Cooper Mini/Oasis Tan. 57.111 56.569 55.278 -0.054
T 8 63 William Loring 00 Toyota Celica GT Blue Kumho 54.993 54.237 56.235(1) 109.420
Osceola, IN The Tire Rack 58.946 55.347 55.183 -0.169
T 9 126 Brian Garfield 02 Mini Cooper S Red Hoosier 54.845 54.379 54.265 109.568
[26] Mount Airy, MD Mini Mania/CG Lock DNF 55.527 55.303 -0.148
T 10 179 Jeff Templeton 00 Subaru Impreza Silver Hoosier 57.386(1) 55.292 55.115 109.831
[79] Maplewood, MO democracy 56.386 54.716 59.953(2) -0.263
T 11 84 Mark Allen 03 Mini Cooper S Blue Hoosier 57.783(2) 54.287 54.761 110.366
[184] Weston, FL Miniusa.Com 57.991 57.581 56.079 -0.535
12 162 Patrick Washburn 95 Plymouth Neon Holstien Hoosier 56.308 54.647 54.916 110.508
[62] Wausau, WI C Tech Alum Trailer Cabinets 57.108 55.861 DNF -0.142
13 98 Ryan Barnard 04 Mini Cooper S D. Silver Hoosier 55.695 54.735 54.956 110.877
[198] Blue Springs, MO Oasis Tan/Jackie Cooper Mini 58.676 57.549 56.142 -0.369
14 39 Jeff MacRae 03 Mini Cooper S Red Hoosier 55.032 55.708(1) 54.732 110.942
Bethlehem, PA Helix Minisports 60.389 57.101 56.210 -0.065
15 40 Michael Deyer 95 Honda Prelude VTEC Azure Kumho 56.620 55.138 55.746 111.027
West Valley City, UT Form + Function 59.481 56.709 55.889 -0.085
16 91 Kenny Sorensen 00 Toyota Celica Gt White Hoosier 54.518 53.930 53.440 111.217
[191] Prince Frederick, MD THANKS ROB 57.848 57.777 62.354(2) -0.190
17 175 Randy Webb 03 Mini Cooper S Yellow Hoosier 55.557 55.237 55.357 111.277
[75] Highland Ranch, CO Webb Motorsports 59.221 56.656 56.040 -0.060
18 68 Jason Minehart 02 Acura Rsx-S Blue Hoosier 56.330 55.555 54.891 111.306
Palm Coast, FL Team Underdog 56.639 56.415 56.783 -0.029
19 96 Mark Hirt 00 Toyota Celica GT Blue Hoosier 55.561 54.801 54.886 111.373
Prospect Heights, IL 58.013 57.184 56.572 -0.067
20 97 Gerno Reinard 02 VW Gti 337 Silver Kumho 57.056 55.727 57.929(1) 111.729
[197] San Antonio, TX Mike's Mom 56.509 57.191 56.002 -0.356
21 14 Tom Dupler 02 Mini Cooper S Blu 56.217 55.914 55.544 111.731
Derby, KS 59.678 58.777 56.187 -0.002
22 73 Scott Bowman 03 Mini Cooper Dark Silve Hoosier 55.163 55.058 56.681(1) 111.881
Leander, TX MinisUsa.com 57.934 65.060(3) 56.823 -0.150
23 85 Jon Krolewicz 85 Honda CRX Si Blue Hoosier 56.614 55.935 54.762 111.913
Pontiac, SC Seat Time Driving Days 57.267 57.151 58.107(1) -0.032
24 18 Bryan Schafer 95 BMW 318ti Red Hoosier 59.008(2) 55.036 54.845 112.075
Blue Ash, OH 60.421 58.613 57.230 -0.162
25 17 Bob Bornkessel 97 Dodge Neon ACR Black Hoosier 59.404 55.295 55.639 112.607
Overland Park, KS KU Medical Center 59.314 57.312 DNF -0.532
26 197 Mike Roberts 02 Volkswagen Gti 337 Silver Kumho 58.873(1) 55.951 59.142(2) 112.681
[97] San Antonio, TX Mike's Mom 59.749(1) 56.730 56.834(1) -0.074
27 4 Todd Peikert 94 Saturn Sc2 Blue/Black Kumho 57.430 56.462 56.866 112.786
Houston, TX Old Capitol Motorsports 56.324 56.926 60.474 -0.105
28 79 Chris Lybarger 00 Subaru Impreza Silver Hoosier 59.879(1) 57.162 56.592 112.872
[179] Bethalto, IL 57.815 57.803 56.280 -0.086
29 177 Louis Kitel 93 Ford Probe GT Silver Hoosier 57.520(1) 54.977 56.803(1) 113.050
[77] Pointe-Des-Cascades, QC www.cadl.qc.ca 60.460 59.168(1) 58.073 -0.178
30 75 Grant Barclay 03 Mini Cooper S Yellow/Whi Hoosier 57.574 56.226 55.812 114.023
[175] Loveland, CO Advanced Spine & Rehab DNF 59.244 58.211 -0.973
31 92 Bob Jardine 02 Ford Focus Black Hoosier 56.417 54.913 55.260 114.101
West Covine, CA 59.188 62.339 61.443(2) -0.078
32 42 Mike Bronson 93 Ford Probe GT Black Hoosier 58.529(1) 56.533 56.508 115.459
West Des Moines, IA 61.851(1) 59.144 58.951 -1.358
33 76 Carl Turner 03 Volkswagon GTI Red Hoosier 58.735 57.640 DNF 115.737
Colorado Springs, CO Terranaut 62.406 60.572 58.097 -0.278
34 95 Charles Frank 02 Toyota Celica GT Blue Hoosier 57.264 56.422 56.087 116.227
Durham, NC CHARLES FRANK, goldsmith 60.140 DNF DNF -0.490
35 77 Simon Bougie 93 Ford Probe GT Silver Hoosier 63.294(2) 56.947 56.906 116.946
[177] Terrebonne, QC www.cadl.qc.ca 62.074 60.040(1) 60.471(1) -0.719
36 53 Mark Shaw 03 VW Beetle Turbo S Grey Hoosier DNF 58.762(1) 58.749(1) 119.731
Chandler, AZ Windupkey.Com 63.653(1) DNF 60.982(1) -2.785
37 22 Sean Ittner 00 Ford Mustang V6 Black 62.882 60.758 59.358 119.995
Dawsonville, GA Thanks Mom & Dad ! ! ! 67.717 63.634 60.637 -0.264
38 89 Walter Day 87 Volkswagon GTI Maroon Hoosier 61.907 62.127 61.429 126.025
Derby, KS Escape Reality Racing DNF 68.649 64.596 -6.030
39 69 Jared Adamson 95 Dodge Neon Blue 68.958(1) 64.250 64.988 132.698
Salina, KS 91.466(2) 68.448 74.427(2) -6.673
40 62 Dan Hampton 95 Plymouth Neon White 56.871 59.318 58.590 No Time
[162] Galesville, WI DNF DNF DNF
41 2 Neil Wilson 02 Ford SVT Focus Blue Hoosier DNS DNS DNS No Time
Oak Harbor, OH


well, here are the results from this year's nationals for G-Stock. did you search? or do you feel that nationals isn't a fair control group?

lol........ya find an autocross event where no F-body V6's were present. I have read a couple articles saying how they are well suited to autocross and have seen some thread of people talking about them in autocrosses and some results here and there where they faired ok....

[ac427cpe]

like you said before, post some proof.


i'm not saying that F-body cars aren't fast -the newer v-8 camaros and such have immense point and squirt capability at autoX. In fact, at the last event here (even though it was the same time as nationals so most of our heavy hitters were off winning their classes there ) the top time of day was a prepared camaro! and that thing is FAST i've ridden in it.

[camaroincal]

I have been searching for articles I've seen in the past and can't friggen find em it's making me mad......but I will find them. I also have some informationj regarding a guy running and N/A Firebird with a 3800 running 11's....gimme a few..

[tha_new_guy]

Originally Posted by camaroincal

I have been searching for articles I've seen in the past and can't friggen find em it's making me mad......but I will find them. I also have some informationj regarding a guy running and N/A Firebird with a 3800 running 11's....gimme a few..

What we're all saying is that Redneck383 wasn't bashing V6 F-bodies, he was bashing the dumbasses that were driving it. Now PLEASE don't turn into an ECOT3C and start pushing your V6 f-body propaganda around here, since us forum members don't give a flying fuck about NA 3800's running 11's....good for him. Nearly any engine configuration can break 11's NA with enough financial support, is that so hard to understand?

As we said before, the SR series engine may be hyped quite a bit, but that's because it is such a capable engine, and it often finds itself in vehicles weighing LESS than 2800 lbs, unlike your 3800 series V6.

Now don't get me wrong, I drove a 1996 Pontiac Bonneville for quite a while, and GM's 3.8L is no slouch. They're peppy little engines, but by no means quick.

And stop the retarded argument that "Oh they would've dusted you if they were pushing 10 psi too...well they weren't and they lost. Cry about it.

So get over the fact that you drive a V6 f-body, and accept the fact that one of your brother vehicles went down.

[camaroincal]

ya ....by no means quick....tell that to this guy..I think he knows a little more about engines being quick than any one here...

http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...&f=10&t=001851 click the link on the post below mine for all the information. This is just to show that this engine has potential unlike most of you think...

http://www.mlive.com/news/advancenew...7953692830.xml This is talking about the guy that owns the car. He is a very experienced guy when it comes to cars and their potential I would think...read the article.....

[kman10587]

Dude, NO ONE is saying the V6 doesn't have potential, they're saying that ANY engine has potential, so to herald the V6 for its potential to be fast (which is considerably less than the V8) is redundant and pointless. Yes, there are V6 F-Bodies that run 11's, there are also 80's Civics and Corolla running 10's. Any car can be fast with enough money, but some take more than others, and the V6 takes a lot more money put into it than the V8 to become a real powerhouse.

[91300zxtt]

Originally Posted by tha_new_guy

What we're all saying is that Redneck383 wasn't bashing V6 F-bodies, he was bashing the dumbasses that were driving it. Now PLEASE don't turn into an ECOT3C and start pushing your V6 f-body propaganda around here, since us forum members don't give a flying fuck about NA 3800's running 11's....good for him. Nearly any engine configuration can break 11's NA with enough financial support, is that so hard to understand?

actually i do give a flying fuck, thats pretty bad ass to see an na v6 doin stuff like that, especially a car that doesnt have alot of aftermarket, so when you say US FORUM MEMBERS, speak for yourself

[camaroincal]

Originally Posted by kman10587

Dude, NO ONE is saying the V6 doesn't have potential, they're saying that ANY engine has potential, so to herald the V6 for its potential to be fast (which is considerably less than the V8) is redundant and pointless. Yes, there are V6 F-Bodies that run 11's, there are also 80's Civics and Corolla running 10's. Any car can be fast with enough money, but some take more than others, and the V6 takes a lot more money put into it than the V8 to become a real powerhouse.

Ya..it's running 11's....N/A makes a big difference LOL 80's civics and corrola's running 10's with the engines they came with..and N/A?..... highly doubt it....

[camaroincal]

Originally Posted by 91300zxtt

actually i do give a flying fuck, thats pretty bad ass to see an na v6 doin stuff like that, especially a car that doesnt have alot of aftermarket, so when you say US FORUM MEMBERS, speak for yourself

Seriously....lol

[camaroincal]

Still looking for that auto-X stuff.....even though 98% of you don't care

[pre98zetec]

well, here's a nine second N/A civic..

http://www.ericksracing.com/racecar.htm