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Old 11-13-2006, 04:27 PM
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Re: WIP: Tamiya 1/20 Jordan 191

I came across another video on YouTube which has footage of the Jordan 191. It is a fabulous video that shows Michael's career before Ferrari so has some good Benetton reference pictures too.

Sit back and get out the opcorn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijQHG5p_TV8

The lyrics synchronise to the images in a number of places which made me
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Keep up all the great work. CF work looks good. Nice engine detail. It really is coming together.

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Great link Billy

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Re: WIP: Tamiya 1/20 Jordan 191

Quick update for you guys.



First up, how to drill perfectly spaced ventilation holes in your brake disks. At first I thought I could just eyeball it... wrong What happens is that when you turn the drill it moves around and so you end up with un-even spaces. So, I marked out 2mm lines on some Tape with a ruler, then stuck it on the part. I then used my thinnest drill (0.3mm) to drill a pilot hole... then moved up a drill size at a time until I was at 0.6mm which seems to me to be the rightsize of hole. This definitely works as a system but unfortunately I didnt ensure that all the holes were in the middle of the brake disk Oh, well, at least no one will see them when the wheels are on



I found this 4 step file in Boots the Chemist (UK cosmetics shop) and it is fabulous. Four different grades on one stick. It is supposed to be for girls nails but hey, I thought I would give it a go on mine Wow, you should see how shiny my nails are after a good buffing and a coat of Tamiya Model Wax!



Here you can see I have experimented with SMS PE. I recessed the cover prior to painting. The antenna is just 0.4mm silver wire, with a blob of glue on the top. I need to paint it black yet but you get the drift... probably make the top more bulbous with another blob of paint if the mood so hits me.



Here you can see a couple of hex bolts in the front nose cone. Everything is looking mighty fine here... if I say so myself, although upclose there is definite orange peel effect on my paint job



Here is the completed rear wing. What a [insert expletive here] that was to glue together and keep aligned. A tip for anyone going to build this, the top white wing protrudes above the green side wing elements. Therefore you should leave white paint on the top half of the sides unlike me who removed the paint in order to get a good bond only to find that that part doesnt glue



Finally, here is the wing attached to the gearbox/engine assembly. You will notice that the bottom black element of the wing has the CF applied in a straight line, which is as per the reference pictures. The wing hasn't been glued on yet. You will also notice the the CF brake housings have also been attached.

Well, thats it for another update. I am in sanding and priming mode on the other parts now. Will be a few weeks before I have anything photographable (I think).

Please keep the comments coming,
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Re: WIP: Tamiya 1/20 Jordan 191

One of my favorite F1 cars. And you're doing an awesome job building and detailing it.

I'll be watching this closely, because I have this one in my to-do pile. Probably start building somewhere in the next decade.
I'm planning to make the black CF test version of this car. But first I'll have to finish my current projects. Although your build is making it hard to leave the box of the Jordan closed...

Keep up the great work !
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Re: WIP: Tamiya 1/20 Jordan 191

Nice work on the rear wing,it certainly looks quite a complex assembly but you made an excellent job of it.The carbon fibre looks good on the rear wing and the engine is looking great as well.Have you tried a little Tamiya compound to smooth out the orange peel effect? It usually works wonders for me.I'm looking forward to your next update.Just one question though,shouldn't the insides of the rear wing end plates be carbon fibre/black and not green?
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Re: WIP: Tamiya 1/20 Jordan 191

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You are definitely at the top of my list for most improved! The Jordan is looking great!
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Re: WIP: Tamiya 1/20 Jordan 191

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I'm planning to make the black CF test version of this car.
It would like v nice but I know that I would get very fed up with all the CF.

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Have you tried a little Tamiya compound to smooth out the orange peel effect?
Yes. I used Coarse/Fine/Finish on it, then wax, but either my technique is wrong (don't think so) or there was too much orange peel to start with (I think so). Basically, I sprayed the clear on Saturday morning and it was about 6 degrees C (I do my spraying in the garage) so I guess thats my real problem. I only used the compound on the clear top coat, not on the green colour layer for fear that the clear coat wouldn't bond to the shiny surface. Is that correct, or should I use polishing compound (and wax) before the clear coat and after the clear coat? Any suggestions welcome.
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The short answer is, not for this race. Looking at the Formula Perfect book, most of the time, the inside of the rear wing end plates were green. For round 8, the British GP, they were carbon fibre. For all other rounds, they were green.

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You are definitely at the top of my list for most improved! The Jordan is looking great!
High praise indeed. Thank you.

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Re: WIP: Tamiya 1/20 Jordan 191

Bill,I sometimes sand the paint when dry before I do the clearcoat.This removes most of if not all of the orange peel effect.Using this method you can actually see when the paint is flat that all the orange peel is gone.It will gloss back up no problem when you apply the clearcoat.This method is not without risk though because if you rub through the colour coat you end up spraying it again.Use a VERY fine wet and dry and go slowly,just enough to remove the orange peel and no further.Also make sure you have plenty of paint on to begin with,so there's plenty to sand back.
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Re: WIP: Tamiya 1/20 Jordan 191

Looking really good Billypee nice job on the rear wing. I know what you mean about the break disc I drilled some crooked holes over this past weekend.


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Detailing looks good! I should practice more.... to get standards like that
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Re: WIP: Tamiya 1/20 Jordan 191

Steve, I will try that technique on my next model. Ta.

Thanks guys for your kind comments.

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Re: WIP: Tamiya 1/20 Jordan 191

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Billypee,

the car is looking fabulous, I second Robrex comments too, you have improved your building x100 over the last couple of builds. Rob - he will be outdoing you next!!!!

I think I mentioned this before but this has to be up there with one of the best looking F1 cars of all time - such a simple colour scheme but so stunning, and this is one of the best looking models of it I have seen so far, keep it up matey!

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Re: WIP: Tamiya 1/20 Jordan 191

That wing looks tough!!! Everytime I build a Tamiya F1 I dread the wing the most. It look s great. I 2nd the tip on Sanding the color coat with 1200 of finer and clear over that before decals. The shine is great and really helps with imperfections. Regardless the model is looking tight.

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Re: WIP: Tamiya 1/20 Jordan 191

Just a quick update to keep the thread alive. Cheers guys for the words of encouragement and the tip about sanding... I will be doing that in future.

All I have to report is that the rest of the pieces now have 2 coats of primer on them, applied on Sunday and Monday nights, in the cold, in the garage during a wet and stormy couple of nights. All things considered, the primer went down well.



I will be working on the base paint layers for the next few days so check back soon for that update. On a slightly different note, I took the advice on getting AN fittings (plus a few other goodies) from RB Motion.



Obviously, I haven't used any of them yet but all I can say is WOW. The proprietor, Rob, is such a nice guy, the catalogue is full of items that allow you to go nuts (no pun intended) super detailing, and the parts themselves are a wonder of small scale manufacture. [Right, enough advertising already]. Tempted though I am to add RB stuff to this model, it'd be wrong and a waste to apply it to only half the car, so it will have to wait until the next model.

Final thought. Mac at Macs Models pointed me in the direction of a wonderful Jordan 191 on F1M by Paul O'Farrell. Here is the link:

http://f1m.com/index.php?name=PNphpB...06536008220c41

Man, that is a nice model. Anyway, the eagle eyed will have noticed that Paul has put CF on part of the front suspension (the vertical piece for want of a more accurate word). I thought it strange and it sent me back to my Formula Perfect Manual, and guess what, it is CF on some of the photos. I guess that this element of the suspension isnt load bearing and so was made from the lighter CF material. Glad I spotted that but, I'm not so sure I will be CFing that part myself as it just doesn't look right. What do you guys think?

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