i don't understand your cars

[edman24]

i think 93speed just summed everything up. i wont continue on this thread any longer unless absolutely necessary. and 93speed my dad has had problems like that with EVERY american car he has owned. and the design flaw had to do something with the suspension. i dont know exactly cause i was too small to remember.

and the way fortyoz put that about the technology thing, that was beautiful. i loved it. you understood it very well self dont play
dumb sorry to hear about your friend though. but then again i never mentioned anything about volvo's........

oh yah emerge, im not basing my opinion off one car. that accident was just one example. you want more? ok. how about all the FORD vans at my work came out of the factory missing the bolts that hold the tranny case in? how about my dads CHEVY suburban needing 2 fuel pumps, 2 water pumps, 2 sets of shocks and 2 sets of tires all before 60k miles? does that sound like any hondas you know? didnt think so.

[93speed]

Originally posted by fortyoz2eric
yea i don't know of anyone that has a problem with stock hondas. but i've wondered before are the engines still as reliable now that most of them are made in the u.s.?

Its probably too early to tell on that one. Though I seriously doubt Honda would ruin their strong reputation on reliability. Thats what that company is based on. They'd be insane to ruin it.

[wheel1856]

it pains me to type this but I have too....

. I had an S-10 2.8 V6 with just over 100k and the thing was falling apart every day.

Zero problems on a Honda compared to a ticking time bomb after 100k on a Domestic?

Have friends whose cavaliers have come in gone in the time my 234,000 mile honda has been driven the piss out of. On the same token, how many times in a cars life time does a Honda owner have to replace the CV boot or the joint?

Also, a car buddy of mine, coincidently a Z28 owner, yeah I whoop his ass on a turn, then the damn road straightens out and I think those are his head lights....

No matter, apples and oranges. True, American companies have the know how to build a longer lasting engine. BUT (and I have a degree including specialties in psych, sociology, and international history/politics) American companies do it on purpose! That way we buy more cars, they keep making them, more money. Its a western way of thinking, quick return on any investment. Japanese typically invest in long term, IE: make a car that lasts forever (engine wise at least)

so, one cannot really justify the comparison of, just for example, a Z28 to a Civic Si. they are two different cars, made for entirely different purpose, by two very different minded companies.

ok ok ok, I know you are all tired of reading this thread, but I had to add my $.02, sorry, plus its always fun to use that college stuff I had to learn.

peace!

[wheel1856]

I meant to say...I think those are his TAIL lights.
my bad

[B16EJ1]

Originally posted by Self


Horsepower per liter is quite possibly the WORST answer you could have given. We're all so tired of hearing that, import and domestic drivers alike. You can use that argument all day long, but when we get out there on the drag track, and my 5.7L V8 making 275hp blows your 1.6L, 160hp out of the damn water, sure you can "but hey, I make 100hp per liter!" and my response will be "but hey, I just got down the track 2 seconds faster than you!". What will your defense be then? And let me introduce a new ratio you might not have heard of before...It's called Horsepower PER DOLLAR. Something your 4 cylinder just can't seem to match. 300hp stock isn't enough to justify the engine? What about 500hp modded? The reason I don't want a 4 cylinder? Because most of them don't put out enough power to justify the amount of MONEY I have to put into them to get that power. If you think that a v8 engine isn't well-tuned because it's bigger you're about as clueless as it's possible to be I gaurantee you my car is tuned and tweaked quite a bit further than most cars on the road, no matter what their engine size. American cars can't turn for shit? My 1996 Z28 will smoke you on a road track 7 days out of the week, of that I'm pretty sure. You're making generalizations that aren't backed up by any first-hand experience/evidence. It SOUNDS like you're recycling arguments you've seen others make in the past, without realizing that most of those arguments have already been refuted. Sorry if I'm coming off like a b*tch or anything, just extremely tired of hearing bogus arguments that make no racing sense

This whole damn post is knocking Honda's and if you can't see it you are blind. This reply should've been answered in a pm or email. I didn't mean to come off wrong but you as a moderator should know better. If you want to post about stuff like this do it else where like in your own Chevy forum because no one here wants to read that crap. If you are an enthusiast as you say you are and like Honda's and support them explain to me how this post proves it????

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by fortyoz2eric
god dammit - well i never intended for this forum to get on this topic. anyway thank you civic si for the answer that brought up some facts. and i'm sorry you honda guys get picked on so much.:hehehe: i don't know, i disagree about rotaries being so expensive. theres only 11 pieces to 13b engine so it isn't like the parts are exotic. and i know of 3 rotary specialty shops in my vicinity so at least around here it isn't a problem.

yea i go to school here in towson, md but i'm from the harrisburg area yea.

and i disagree completely with self - motor companies could use the technology available 100 years ago, but if they build the engine big enough yea it'll give you any amount of power.

Well see in the Lancaster area you have to find a tuner shop to work on your rotary Mazda will not help you anymore - at least that's what my friends have said.

But hey you should come out to our autocrosses up by Hershey. http://www.scca-susq.com we start back up in April.

[Self]

Originally posted by B16EJ1


This whole damn post is knocking Honda's and if you can't see it you are blind. This reply should've been answered in a pm or email. I didn't mean to come off wrong but you as a moderator should know better. If you want to post about stuff like this do it else where like in your own Chevy forum because no one here wants to read that crap. If you are an enthusiast as you say you are and like Honda's and support them explain to me how this post proves it????

Better yet, explain to me how it bashes Hondas or ANY import in any way at all? The only thing you could even possibly say in that regaurd would be the part about me saying I could smoke his car on a road track. And that's not because it's a Honda or anything else(it's a VW btw), that's just because I KNOW my car is probably quite a bit faster because of the significant time and money I've invested in it. So you quote and explain JUST ONE specific example from my post that bashes an imported vehicle in any way shape or form.
And what should I know better? That I'm not allowed to disagree with someone or explain my point of view because I am a moderator? What exactly should I know better about??

[B16EJ1]

You can use that argument all day long, but when we get out there on the drag track, and my 5.7L V8 making 275hp blows your 1.6L, 160hp out of the damn water, sure you can "but hey, I make 100hp per liter!" and my response will be "but hey, I just got down the track 2 seconds faster than you!".


Ok so what exact car were you describing here? What 1.6L engine puts out 160 hp compared to your 5.7L??? What kind of car owner has used the phrase " but hey, I make 100hp per liter!"??? You mean this wasn't directed to Honda owners or a specific HONDA owner??? If not then what kind of car? A VW.....please!!!
You should know better than to bash on Honda's YES Honda's on a HONDA FORUM!!! That's what you should know better. Thank you.

[Self]

Originally posted by B16EJ1
You can use that argument all day long, but when we get out there on the drag track, and my 5.7L V8 making 275hp blows your 1.6L, 160hp out of the damn water, sure you can "but hey, I make 100hp per liter!" and my response will be "but hey, I just got down the track 2 seconds faster than you!".


Ok so what exact car were you describing here? What 1.6L engine puts out 160 hp compared to your 5.7L??? What kind of car owner has used the phrase " but hey, I make 100hp per liter!"??? You mean this wasn't directed to Honda owners or a specific HONDA owner??? If not then what kind of car? A VW.....please!!!
You should know better than to bash on Honda's YES Honda's on a HONDA FORUM!!! That's what you should know better. Thank you.

That's not a bash, that's a fact. That was the orignal argument that I objected to on this thread. That more horsepower per liter is a great reason to buy one car over another. It's not. I can point out over 100 HONDA owners that post on THESE BOARDS that will tell you the same! That is nearly a direct-quote of what someone has said to me before, when my car was stock and I beat them. Granted he was a good friend and was just joking(making fun of people who really say it)but still, there are plenty of people who say that and are serious. If my 5.7L Camaro Z28 smokes a 1.6L Honda Civic SI and the Honda driver says "but my car makes 100hp per liter!" you can bet that I will say "but hey my car just got down the track 2 seconds quicker than yours!" That isn't a bash though. It's closer to being a bash on the idiocy of the people who actualyl use that argument than it is to being a bash on the car. I will say the same thing to a Cavalier driver, or ANYONE who makes that useless argument. I have not bashed a Honda on this forum yet, and I doubt if I ever will seeing as how I am one of the most vehement supports of imports on the boards. Step out of this thread and LOOK BACK to before your time and see how many times I have defended and spoke for imports against ignorant and close-minded people, please. And we can all do without the incessant sarcasm, please It's not helping the situation any.

[B16EJ1]

Okay I'm done.

[Self]

Originally posted by B16EJ1
Okay I'm done.

Me too then I guess. Jolly good debate there, mate :ylsuper

Go Honda! Go Chevy! Go imports! Go domestics!

[B16EJ1]

Hell yeah!!! That was entertaining. We'll do this again sometime.

[CivicSiRacer]

Did we get our jollies? Closing thread.