favorite american sports car - Page 4

Scott 02 · #46 01-23-2003, 04:04 PM

Don't blame you. The argument will keep going untill someone gets upset with someting and gets closed.

flylwsi · #47 01-23-2003, 04:08 PM

since it would be a real american car though, i would go for one of the replica cobras, or specifically, a cobra daytona... i love that thing... it would be kinda tight, but damn, it's a gorgeous and fast car...

replica mosler would be nice too...

american made replica of course...

Moppie · #48 01-23-2003, 08:42 PM

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if you walk up to the average person on the street in the world and ask what country you would associate ford with...

No if you walk up to the Average American and Ask them they will tell you America.

Ask a German or a Brit or anyone else from anywhere in Europe and they will likely say either Brition or Germany.
And I hate to break it to you, but there are more people in Europe than there are in the US.

You have to learn to look at the world as a collection of over 4 billion differnt people living in over 140 countries.
America only makes up 7.5% of the worlds population, try and take the other 92.5% into considration.

ac427cpe · #49 01-23-2003, 08:57 PM

yeah... but those #'s are gonna change... stupid W wants a war.

and moppie... we need to stop fighting about this.

Scott 02 · #50 01-23-2003, 09:19 PM

I thought it wouldn't be long untill someone gets a touch upset.

I recon this thread won't last long anyway.

Polygon · #51 01-23-2003, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by Scott 02
The GT40 was great too, the Cobra S/C i think was a true american classic and will always be that way. I don't think anyone has mentioned it though.

Well, the problem is that it wasn't a Ford manufactured car. It was a brittish car with a Ford engine built by Carol Shelby. It is not an american car IMO, just an american engine.

Scott 02 · #52 01-23-2003, 09:31 PM

Your right, the 427 came for ford to put in such small of a car. But i thought these cars were built in Carol Shelby's shop here in the US?? maybe he had a shop in brittian. These cars were under the name Shelby not ford.

ac427cpe · #53 01-23-2003, 09:39 PM

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second choice would have been an A/C cobra, but that;s just shelby's version of an A/C Bristol that was running an old 6cyl engine and at the end of it's lifespan as a car, then shelby revived it by dropping Ford's brand new 260 in it.

but, then it doesn't count either. it's british too

i already said that one on the first page...

the daytona coupe was 100% american, and would be my second choice. it was made to compete with the gt40, and was faster than the MKII... the shelby series 1 would be nice, if he ever decides he's done with it!

Scott 02 · #54 01-23-2003, 09:40 PM

Hes done with it allright

Moppie · #55 01-24-2003, 01:38 AM

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and moppie... we need to stop fighting about this. [/b]

Im not fighting, just trying to educate.
There is a world outside of the US, and yes we do have, wait for it..... non-American cars.

The AC Cobra is a US car.
It actualy has very little in common with the orginal AC Bristol on which its based. There are some quite major chassis changes to cope with the extra stress from the ford V8, as well as I think all of them being built in the US.
And the Coupe was designed and engined by a Kiwi, he only died several years ago after building the last ever car for a US customer. (in 1998 or 99 I think? )

flylwsi · #56 01-24-2003, 01:43 AM

i'm well aware that there are a ton of other countries out there... and i'm still pretty sure that if you asked people what country they'd tie ford to... it'd be the u.s.a.

the cobra was from shelby, a u.s. company yes... regardless of where the origin came from...

i know that pete brock was in on the cobra daytona, i'm not sure who else... i'll have to look into that one...

the chassis on the cobra was still based a lot on the bristol, and it's been noted quite often that the chassis was not always straight, as it was more a cottage built car, as opposed to the factory built cars... (i mean more mass produced)...

but i digress...

i'll stick to my cobra kit car... all u.s. right there...

Moppie · #57 01-24-2003, 01:55 AM

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i'll stick to my cobra kit car... all u.s. right there...

except the most accurate replicas are actualy made in the south island here in NZ.

(its that Kiwi conection again, we OWN world Motorsport!)

flylwsi · #58 01-24-2003, 01:59 AM

i'll make sure mine's from an american company...

but if it's a kit car, i would be building it... so it would kinda be mine then.. hmm...

i could always bring in some lingenfelter or callaway vettes... those would be nice... (but i'm sure there's some out of country tie in)

Jimster · #59 01-24-2003, 04:24 AM

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Originally posted by Moppie

except the most accurate replicas are actualy made in the south island here in NZ. (its that Kiwi conection again, we OWN world Motorsport!)

LOL...........The Kiwi Replicar and Kitcar connection 0wnz the other kitcar/replicar connections- except for Great Britain of course

tigermiata · #60 01-24-2003, 06:49 AM

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Originally posted by Moppie
The AC Cobra is a US car.
It actualy has very little in common with the orginal AC Bristol on which its based. There are some quite major chassis changes to cope with the extra stress from the ford V8, as well as I think all of them being built in the US.

I just got finished reading a history of AC cars over the holidays. Cool book.

"AC Bristol" would best describe one of three engine choices for the AC Ace; AC's own Weller-designed engine, then Bristol's "war-reparations" BMW-designed motor, then a British Ford 2.6 six out of the Zephyr (no, not the 1970's Mercury!). Chronologically, the 260/289 Cobras are closest to the 2.6 Ford Aces, and even share front end styling (older Aces look a wee bit different). Shelby-American's 260/289 Corbras aren't all that different than an Ace, down to the transverse-leaf suspension. And UK-market Cobras never passed through S-A's shops at all, and were built solely by AC.

Now, the 427/428 Cobras, well -- big changes. Obviously the motor, and the body styling. Plus a much more modern suspension. and IIRC a new frame with heavier tubing, etc. Not a lot of the old early-1950's deign left.

You'd be hard pressed for a definitive answer on which country could lay claim to the cars. "Transatlantic" might be best.

Note: What I didn't see confirmed, but suspect, concerns the engines' origins. I know Sunbeam (the Tiger) and Bristol (V8's after, what, 1963?) didn't use American V8's, strictly speaking-- but Canadian ones. Canadian goods, due to the Commonwealth, were not subject to the crippling import duties that US-built V8's would have. For UK market Cobras, this would have been an issue.

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