89 Mustang GT 5.0 VS. 98-02 WS6 Trans Am LS1 5.7

[doodad]

Originally Posted by hotrod_chevyz

I thought the opposite. fwd + some power = easier to hook up than rwd + some power.

Ive seen a lot more mustang GT's on the road than i have GXP Grand Prix. How many have you murdered on the road?

He hasnt gotten next to one that has been able to pass it (stock). Off the line, or at a roll. Im guessing because it has more under the hood (5.3 vs 4.6).

He says the same thing, the mustangs go up in smoke while he can get a launch without breaking traction (tcs off, paddle shifted).

With the TCS on, they will not spin the tires the limiter kills the capability to roast the tires. You might get about a half second squeak of traction loss than the tcs takes over. Maybe the owner of the GXP should have used the paddle shifter built into the steering wheel and left the tcs on because thats exactly what its for.

I agree with they probably cant get mid 13's but they are no stranger to high 13's wich is what i hear the mustangs get on average. Its strange to hear that a 4 door car even coming close to the new mustangs. In the next few years if ford doesnt use 5.4's and 6 speeds as a standard for the mustangs, just about everything GM makes considered a performance car will pass them.(once again not to talk shit...FACT)

never raced one on the road.. one time i lined up against one and as i said he ran high 14s.. they should be fast from a roll.. also FWD with high performance will spin more than RWD cuz RWD has some weight transfer, when FWD lift the nose up and loose some weight up front. sure if you dont know how to launch a RWD car, you will do nothing but spin. 303hp is impressive.. i am not telling these just beacuse i own 06 stang GT.. i don't care.. truth is truth.. they should be close to 05+stang GT but i really do not think they are faster. 303hp and 323tq..( i have idea if they are underrated) and also 3600lbs just the car + driver weight. my car weights around 3600 with me in it. and 05+ stangs dynos around 265-270rwhp which shows they are underated. in reality they have 315-325 crank hp. ( i dont know about tq.) i think those thinks can beat 05+ stang GTs around 60-70mph roll races. i HIGHLY doubt they got chance from a dig with the right driver against 05+ stangs GTs. also there was that chevy malibu SS at track, auto and i know they are 303hp v8 too ( maybe the same engine, i don't know) and she could't dig into 14s that day.. might be driver error.. but how big error can a driver have with auto tranny..?

most people i met talked bad about 05+ stang GTs..including me.. but now i got a chance to own one and those comments were not true about 05+ stangs.. 13.4 is pretty fast for a car and 05+ stang GTs can run that time stock on stock rubber.

regardless, for a family sedan, 303hp is respectable.. i will kkeep my eye on the road and see if i can find one to race

[hotrod_chevyz]

POST 1000! whoopidee-doo>

I really like the new mustangs. They look good and are pretty quick. Ford has an edge on the market as of now, but with GM's current future plans im hoping ford will cut loose some reasonably priced 5.4 v-8 models in the future. Just to keep shit interesting.

The malibus do have the same motor. They have softer suspension than the grand prix tho.

The grand prix have paddle shift, i dont think any other GM does as of right now except the corvettes. I do wonder if the paddle shift helps any tho. After all, its a program too.

This years grand prix GXP is the first one in years to have a v-8. They probably have a lot of bugs to work out. Supposedly they are going to make it a RWD and drop the GP nameplate in the next few years, and start calling them G-8's. By 2010 i hear GM will be returning some other models back into RWD v-8 such as the impala. I wonder what is to become of the Monte Carlo's.

[Rally Sport]

Malibu SS's come with the 3.9L V6.. packs 240 HP.

[doodad]

Originally Posted by Rally Sport

Malibu SS's come with the 3.9L V6.. packs 240 HP.

i am VERY sure, malibu SS is FWD v-8 with 303 hp

[doodad]

Originally Posted by hotrod_chevyz

POST 1000! whoopidee-doo>

I really like the new mustangs. They look good and are pretty quick. Ford has an edge on the market as of now, but with GM's current future plans im hoping ford will cut loose some reasonably priced 5.4 v-8 models in the future. Just to keep shit interesting.

The malibus do have the same motor. They have softer suspension than the grand prix tho.

The grand prix have paddle shift, i dont think any other GM does as of right now except the corvettes. I do wonder if the paddle shift helps any tho. After all, its a program too.

This years grand prix GXP is the first one in years to have a v-8. They probably have a lot of bugs to work out. Supposedly they are going to make it a RWD and drop the GP nameplate in the next few years, and start calling them G-8's. By 2010 i hear GM will be returning some other models back into RWD v-8 such as the impala. I wonder what is to become of the Monte Carlo's.

GM will always be faster than Ford!! ford is using forced induction to keep up with GM. just imagine.. in 1998, new stang GT came with 220hp and transam / camaro came with underrated 305hp. sure they made SVT cobras with 305hp but i swear trans am will kill 98 cobras allday cuz i beat 98 cobra with MT ET steets, gears, intake, tune and suspension..his best was 13.5 and mine was 13.4 and another driver got in and he ran 13.4 and i ran 13.6.. imagine i am bone stock and he had mods + DRs. and still ran even.. regardless.. cobras are great cars.. f-bodies are great cars and stang GTs SUCKS!! (IMO)

[hotrod_chevyz]

Originally Posted by Rally Sport

Malibu SS's come with the 3.9L V6.. packs 240 HP.

Oh snap! Sorry about the bunk data! i was thinking of the SS Impala. Your right the malibu SS does have a 3.9.

EDIT: I was also wrong about only 2 cars having paddle shift. My 1000th post was a POS!

[Rally Sport]

Originally Posted by doodad

i am VERY sure, malibu SS is FWD v-8 with 303 hp

http://www.chevrolet.com/pop/malibu/..._engine_en.jsp

[doodad]

isn't this malibu SS?? is so then i have been hanging around with wrong info. i have always thought these are Malibu SS.

[Rally Sport]

Erdal.. who you trying to kid, really? Even the pic URL says Impala.

http://a904.g.akamai.net/7/904/506/v...ss_rear343.jpg

[silverado122775]

Originally Posted by philly rs

um maybe i missed something...but did u say a stock ws6 has 330 hp? hell an ss camaro isnt rated that high...i wouldnt give any ls1 any more than 315 max.....and that aint even to the wheels.

WS6 and a SS run 345hp at the crank with the SLP option otherwise it is 320HP at the crank.

[Mr. Luos]

LS1 WS.6 was not done by SLP.

[ZL1power69]

and remember in 01 and 02 some SS's and Firehawks snuck out with LS6's

[Mr. Luos]

As well as ANY LS1 car did in 2002.
Just the block though....did not have an effect on power output.

[ZL1power69]

yea i wasn't sure if they had the Ls6 heads too or not, just the block and intake manifold. but, i knew a guy a year or so ago that had an 01 firehawk with automatic and stock it dynoed at 320-330rwhp. didn't know all LS1 f-bods in 02 had the LS6 block. i remember hearing that 10% of 01 models and 20% of 02 models had them.

[Mr. Luos]

No way an Auto should dyno that high.
Unless the SAE correction factor was .96 or something.