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[Oz]

No, not power as in faith. Power as in influencing opinion. Get it right. The Catholic Church has influenced popular opinion countless times for their own ends over the centuries. Faith has very little to do with it.

And I was being civilized, if I was going to insult you I would have used profanity.

[MonsterBengt]

Originally Posted by BigBL87

I would agree, but when he makes false claims as facts (not within the story, but on a facts page), that's when I have a problem with it. It's not the idea of his story, it's a good job of fiction I think, but claiming things as facts that aren't that bothers me.

You mean Hanks should turn to the camera once in a while and insure the audience this is fiction, not the authors proclaims? And how do you know they're false anyway? when i go to church i hear 'Jesus did that and said that' not 'We think that Jesus did that and said that, but it's up to you if you want to believe it', still i don't feel in anyway offended.

[driftinggrifter2]

Never it was mentioned in the Bible.

The bible has been written and rewritten, translated many times over where things could have gotten lost. Not to mention that the bible that everyone reads is not the whole bible. There were many many other books that never made it into the bible. The church went through and selected the ones it wanted and did whatever with the rest (i forgot what)

Hes only a catholic religious leader. They're not the President,Military Generals, Sergeants etc.... They have no army. What power does he have?

There are many diff types of power, millions+ people follow the church and the pope, give their money to the church, practicly worship the pope. Its not as evident as it used to be considering they dont wage crusades or anything anymore but it is still there. People of all nations and religions have the upmost respect for the pope even if they dont for the church. How many people in the world can you say have that.
The president and whatever other world leaders are practicly at the mercy of their govt.s. The prez cant do anything without the permision of congress.
Now if your looking for absolute power you wont find anyone with that. The last person to hold such power and influence over people in that manner, sad to say, was Hitler. He commanded a whole country and the did his bidding without fear but with respect and admiration of him.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by driftinggrifter2

There are many diff types of power, millions+ people follow the church and the pope, give their money to the church, practicly worship the pope.

I know bro I agree with you. Thats what I was tryin to figure out when I asked them to define power. Moppie laughed at me

Originally Posted by driftinggrifter2

People of all nations and religions have the upmost respect for the pope even if they dont for the church. How many people in the world can you say have that.

I only respected John Paul 2nd. Hes been very kind to muslims. I remember him picking up the Qur'an and he kissed it.

Originally Posted by driftinggrifter2

. Its not as evident as it used to be considering they dont wage crusades or anything anymore but it is still there.

They did before and its called Temporal power as I mentioned in one of my post. It ended in 1929. I've studied this in college in religious studies course. They say they still use Temporal power but very little. They're more of internal power now.

[driftinggrifter2]

Im not religious or anything but i liked John Paul 2nd as well he was niciest fella ive seen in a great long time.

I dont keep up on alot of things but i think they should make him a saint if they havent already. He actually did things diff from alot of other popes. Kind of set the bar for others that come after him.