5.0 vs. DMC12 Re-match (part 2)

[S2Corolla]

Originally posted by DMC12


You want in on this race, too?

HEY GONTHRAX AND TERMINAL VELOCITY, WHO WAS THE ONE WHO BUTTED IN ON THIS ONE, AGAIN?

You can see in this post, that DMC12 was the one who told 94SVT5.0 if he wanted in... That gave him all the rights in the world to talk trash and boast about his car... When you tell someone, "Want to race?" They have a right to say they're car's this, that and everything, because it gives them confidence about what they own. In that same sense, when you invite someone into a race, don't get butt-hurt when they talk trash, it's normal.

So Gonthrax, he had a right to say what he said because he never wanted in on this race, that's why he said " YOU OBVIOUSLY NEVER TANGLED WITH A COBRA BEFORE"

Oh and TerminalVelocity, you keep saying "with this" and "with that" Shit, a Cobra with a Saleen package and supercharger will make a lot of car's look like moron's... I never said you could NEVER beat a Cobra, I said right now it's a little far-fetched to shoot for. I could come in and if someone disses my car it doesn't get me anywhere, to say "Oh but if I had a stage 3 turbo with an 85 shot of nitrous oxide, slicks, weight reduction and GOD behind me, I'll beat you" Sorry buddy, races don't work like that... You race someone with what you have.

Let me give you an example...
S2Corolla - "Hey TerminalVelocity, wanna race?"
*TerminalVelocity smokes S2Corolla by 30 car's...*
S2Corolla - "Wow, you're faster than me... Damn..."

See? It works that way.

[S2Corolla]

Originally posted by chebbiesux

and 94 cobra only ever get's shit on when he posts. he says something, and you guys get mad at him because he has a cobra. and than you say something that doesn't make any sense, and he says something that pisses you off, and than gonthrax makes him look like an idiot.
and tomorrow demonzx will come by and say this thread is over.

This is funnier everytime I read it because it's true. He came in and posted his opinion, and they flamed him, saying "Cobra this... Cobra that..." And when SVT defended himself, they flamed him with crap that didn't make sense... And so on...

So demonzx is the moderator of this board?

[TerminalVelocity]

no more shit talking :bandit:

SUSPENSION

FRONT: Modified MacPherson strut type with separate spring on lower arm, 400 lbs./in.
REAR: Rigid axle, four trailing links, two leading hydraulic links, 160 lbs./in. linear-rate coil springs, 27mm stabilizer bar

Thats from the 94 cobra

DMC12, I want specs on your suspension. I could hunt for them but it would be better if you did.

S2Corrola, he declined and talked trash, some shit talking is cool, and he started it by saying

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Dont make me laugh. The other dude in his two ton barge might of had some trouble off the line but, you have obviously never tangled with a cobra.

So I replyed.

Origionally posted by TerminalVelocity
sorry but he will handle better than you cobra boy, I know the stats VERY well on cobra handling, and your year is before they really started beefing it up. And dont talk to me about mods, no mod is as good as a lotus suspension, oh, and to let you know, lotus is an extremly well known creater of cars which are like glue to the road. It floped because it wasnt a major brand and so for the price people wanted a 13 second car which handled like a F1, and make peoples eyes fall out from its glory. You have the 4.6 correct? If you take off the supercharger and swap heads I make more power than you. Now before you go sayin how "well still, I got it you dont" how much did you pay for yours? I payed 3 grand, and I'm still workin on it. And if you wanna bs sayin "please, me race you? Pssh" then it just goes to show you -dont- have a true cobra. Course, thats just my opinion, with some facts thrown in for flavor.

Granted, I didnt take my time to look into it, I should have. 5 min to do a job right and end this. But it wasnt the issue of the thread so I just was hoping he would shut up or prove why he cant be beaten.

Originally posted by S2Corolla
With that car I'll make any Thunderbird look like a stock 94 automatic Camry, no joke.

and then

Originally posted by S2Corolla
I never said you could NEVER beat a Cobra, I said right now it's a little far-fetched to shoot for.

'nuff said

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Look up the facts before you open your mouth. The 4.6 came out in the 96 cobras, the supercharger is coming out in the 2003 cobras. The 94s had plenty beefed up suspension, easily out handle an old artifact of a delorian or a two ton bird. Not to mention out power both.

25 more hp than stock according to Ford SVT.
Thats not alot more power, so dont act like it.

Especally sence i'm not stock.

BTY, heres specs on the engine

ENGINE

Type 90° V-8
Bore x stroke 4.0 in. x 3.0 in.
Displacement: 5.0 liter/302 cid
Compression ratio: 9.0:1
Horsepower: 240 hp @ 4800 rpm
Torque: 285 lbs.-ft. @ 4000 rpm

Now if you still care to say i'm wrong

SVT

just go to archives

I can drag specs out well on vehicles, especally sence I own a ford, and I am building it to SVT specifications. They never made the thunderbird SVT (its not the SC,so dont even try it) So I am. That means around here,1 SVT Thunderbird, many cobras, and this is a -fact- not trash talking.

If this thread goes down it wont make me cry any, because the origional purpose can still go on in the other threads.
The origional purpose being car talk, delorian vs Thunderbird. NOT Cobras. Thats under Automotivefourms.com>Ford>Mustangs.

[94svt5.0]

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
no more shit talking :bandit:

SUSPENSION

FRONT: Modified MacPherson strut type with separate spring on lower arm, 400 lbs./in.
REAR: Rigid axle, four trailing links, two leading hydraulic links, 160 lbs./in. linear-rate coil springs, 27mm stabilizer bar

Thats from the 94 cobra

DMC12, I want specs on your suspension. I could hunt for them but it would be better if you did.

S2Corrola, he declined and talked trash, some shit talking is cool, and he started it by saying


25 more hp than stock according to Ford SVT.
Thats not alot more power, so dont act like it.

Especally sence i'm not stock.

BTY, heres specs on the engine

ENGINE

Type 90° V-8
Bore x stroke 4.0 in. x 3.0 in.
Displacement: 5.0 liter/302 cid
Compression ratio: 9.0:1
Horsepower: 240 hp @ 4800 rpm
Torque: 285 lbs.-ft. @ 4000 rpm

Now if you still care to say i'm wrong

SVT

just go to archives

I can drag specs out well on vehicles, especally sence I own a ford, and I am building it to SVT specifications. They never made the thunderbird SVT (its not the SC,so dont even try it) So I am. That means around here,1 SVT Thunderbird, many cobras, and this is a -fact- not trash talking.

If this thread goes down it wont make me cry any, because the origional purpose can still go on in the other threads.
The origional purpose being car talk, delorian vs Thunderbird. NOT Cobras. Thats under Automotivefourms.com>Ford>Mustangs.

The point of this post was what? You do know that the supension you listed for the cobra is an incomplete list? Yes, those are the Ford rated specs for the 94/95 svt 5.0. Also, most owners of 94/95 cobras will tell you they were purposely under rated by ford to jack up the incoming slouch the 4.6 v8. I have talked to at least a dozen people who have dynoed stock 94/95s and they are consistently getting between 265-275 at flywheel bone stock. Not even a K&N.
1 svt Thunderbird many cobras? Huh? No matter what you do to the thunderbird it will never be an svt. Svt is an in house tuner for Ford, unless you ship it off to them and get them to build it up then it is not an svt. Sounds like those fake acurra type Rs I see running around all the time. scary eh? Also, why do you get so offended by me calling your car two ton? You do know that it weights more then two tons dont you?

[94svt5.0]

Originally posted by Gonthrax


So it seems that somehow [you have gotten it into your head that your car is the best car on earth. So, you've probly beaten some civics and escorts, big deal. Try lining up next to some cars of a bit higher caliber (Vettes, Supras, MR2s, RX-7s, Skylines) and see if you don't change your mind...

Now I'm ever so sorry for showing you how your own words fit on you before DMC brought timeslips, but hey... Some one had to do it.

Hmm..... I dont ever recall saying my car was the best in the world, Ya I said it would beat the thunderbird and delorian. But, that was because it would. I know the limitations of my car, and yes i have been beat. I was beat by a dodge neon at the dragstrip. The neon was running low 12s in the 1/4. It had some kind of turbo or somthing. So, gonthrax you did not show how my words fit. Your sounding like a bit of an idiot. You should know how the comparison works...... Ya a vette could beat your mustang. Ya, a viper will beat your vet. Ya, a dragster will beat your viper.... on and on it gos. There is always somthing faster no matter what you drive. So, if your just going to come on here and resay what i said because you cant think of anything yourself then get off the thread. Its quite imature.

[DMC12]

S2Corolla, was that U that got a ticket for racing in Camarillo last weekend? I saw three cops converge on some Corolla & I'm like "WTF?"

Anyway, I only "let him in" on the race because he came outa nowhere (like he does in every AF thread) and FLAMED DeLoreans everywhere.

So, to clarify, here is a little Recap:

- I post a message asking people's opinions on who will win MY race.

- Out of the blue, 94svt5.0 comes down hard, flaming the DeLorean and DMC owners everywhere.

- DMC12 offers a race, throwing 94svt5.0 in the hot-seat for his ungrounded, ignorant claims against the DeLorean.

- 94svt5.0 gets defensive about his Cobra, and starts shit-talking.

The debate heats up as both sides battle it out!!!





Yes, the Cobra & Saleen are fast cars. Yes, any car can win a race because there are way too many variables in the real world, and there's always that guy that has NOS in a Kia Rio just to piss people off.



chebbiesux, The DMC does not have the chevy 2.8L engine. They came from the factory with PRV engines.

And yes, 94svt5.0 only ever get's shit on when he posts... because he asks for it! I found it quite amusing that Gonthrax said Mustang owners are assholes, because that is the first thing that came to mind when he made his first ignorant post. And why do I talk nonsense back to him? Because that is what nonsense deserves!


As for closing this thread... I do not want it closed, and I don't think anyone here does.

[S2Corolla]

Originally posted by DMC12
S2Corolla, was that U that got a ticket for racing in Camarillo last weekend? I saw three cops converge on some Corolla & I'm like "WTF?"

No and frankly, I don't know who the hell you're talking about. I don't even know where Camarillo is.

Originally posted by DMC12

- Out of the blue, 94svt5.0 comes down hard, flaming the DeLorean and DMC owners everywhere.

He gave his opinion backing up the Thunderbird, as controversial as it might seem. You offered him a race, he can back down and talk trash if he wants to, sh!t you're the one that wanted to DRAG RACE, with an SVT Cobra.... Sh!t even I came in and added my two cents because you wanted to drag a Cobra.

Originally posted by DMC12
- DMC12 offers a race, throwing 94svt5.0 in the hot-seat for his ungrounded, ignorant claims against the DeLorean.

- 94svt5.0 gets defensive about his Cobra, and starts shit-talking.

The debate heats up as both sides battle it out!!!

Okay, ungrounded? Since when? He knows his car... Shit I know my car too, I can beat some Civic Si's, I lose to some. I can beat some stock Integra GSR's... I can never mess with a stickshift H22 Prelude. I can beat automatic Mustang GT's if they're year 94-98, can't mess with 5 speeds or any Cobra's.
Everyone knows the DeLorean was a nice little flashy car, but it wasn't meant to be fast. SVT is meant to be fast, not to mention his car has over a decade of advanced years on your car. I'm not saying you WILL lose, but if all you have is what you say you have... Then I'm sorry, but you will lose.
Don't ask for a post if you don't want people to post their opinion. This is my opinion, the Thunderbird ways a grip, I would drop a bigger engine because I don't see that 5.0 even with heavy tuning, meaning not street driven, getting anywhere near 11's. The DeLorean on the other hand, is an enthusiasts' car. It's one of those car's you DON'T modify, so I don't see it getting anywhere passed 15's.
That's my opinion, are you gonna ask me in on this race too? Because I'll gladly tango with both of you. I'll hold my ground, because as you can see, I'm a mid 15's car, but I'm not gonna put money on it. It's unreasonable to ask people to join hands in a race just because they posted their opinion and vote, when you um... I dunno... ASKED for it?
I can clearly read 94svt5.0's first post... Let's see here...

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Unless I missed something the delorean was a complete flop. Stick to the road, ya maybe by that years standards, but minivans reach that level today. The reason it did not sell was related to power, handeling and looks. Ya, Im sure everybody wants the same color, great idea. I have nothing aginst delorians, I think they make a great conversation piece and would be an interesting car to own.

He was saying this in reply to DMC12's post saying that the DeLorean will always come up on top. Last time I checked, he was right, the DeLorean didn't succeed as a car, poor sales percentage, average performance, complex styling... It didn't sell then, so they stopped making it. It sells now because... Um... People stopped making it? If my 2002 Toyota Corolla was the only Corolla that came out, it would be worth quite a bit. But nothing changes the fact that in stock form it runs the 1/4 in 16.4 and it has more body roll than a bed on prom nite. Just because my car would be rare doesn't give me the right to tell the owner of an SVT Cobra if he wants to join in on a race because he lets me in on the truth... My car's not fast. I'm not gonna say "Oh my god you son of a bitch! Wanna race!? All bets are up!" lol

Originally posted by DMC12
Yes, the Cobra & Saleen are fast cars. Yes, any car can win a race because there are way too many variables in the real world, and there's always that guy that has NOS in a Kia Rio just to piss people off.

And yes, 94svt5.0 only ever get's shit on when he posts... because he asks for it! I found it quite amusing that Gonthrax said Mustang owners are assholes, because that is the first thing that came to mind when he made his first ignorant post. And why do I talk nonsense back to him? Because that is what nonsense deserves!
[/b]

Yes, the variables was MY point in response to Terminal Velocity's talk about swapping heads and superchargers and what-not. I'm saying a race between two people, is here, now... It's with what you have NOW, if you can't hang and can't handle getting beat, go home and put money into your car until you're ready for it. Last weekend in Ontario I won 6 times and lost to a 3000gt VR-4, I didn't follow the Mitsubishi and tell him... "If I had your engine and you didn't have turbo's I would BEAT YOU!" He beat me, so there....

Oh and not all Mustang owners are assholes, but if you go around saying that, I wouldn't be suprised if when YOU met them, they are...
I purposely go on the Honda forum and talk trash... Why? Because in my first two posts on that thread I didn't say anything biased or flagrant, and they flamed me... So they made me out to be something I wasn't, well be careful of what you wish for, the last thing you want is a sarcastic automotive enthusiast with good English dialect and a keyboard on your forum, it can get dirty.
And yes there's always a Kia or a Hyundai Elantra with nitrous oxide looking to cause trouble.
Ignorant expression is saying something of which you don't have the grounds to back up, and like I said earlier, he just said the truth. Hell that works for Mustangs too, back in 82 the Mustang 5.0 was a death machine if you tried to handle in it. But he never said anything to do with that, what he said was that the DeLorean was unsuccessful, so you shouldn't go around saying your car's a god, because SOMEONE will come in and say something back.

[Gonthrax]

94svt5.0 , This is why I jumped on your ass... Everwere I see you post, you are posting about how someone's car sucks, and about how your cobra will smoke it. I've seen you do it to Idlys, Super Spec V, DMC12, TermVel ect ect ect. I think it's just wrong, if you had said "Hmm you've done some work on it I see, well I still think I can take ya " See, thats a normal conversation... Not, "Dude, that pile of crap!? Please, apparently you've never felt the ponies under the hood of the COBRA "

Hmm..... I dont ever recall saying my car was the best in the world, Ya I said it would beat the thunderbird and delorian. But, that was because it would. I know the limitations of my car, and yes i have been beat. I was beat by a dodge neon at the dragstrip. The neon was running low 12s in the 1/4. It had some kind of turbo or somthing. So, gonthrax you did not show how my words fit. Your sounding like a bit of an idiot. You should know how the comparison works...... Ya a vette could beat your mustang. Ya, a viper will beat your vet. Ya, a dragster will beat your viper.... on and on it gos. There is always somthing faster no matter what you drive. So, if your just going to come on here and resay what i said because you cant think of anything yourself then get off the thread. Its quite imature.

No, you didn't say you car was thebest in the world, but you implied it. Now don't take everything literaly and twist my words around. Of course there will always be somthing faster, it seems that on some level you understand that. But once agian I say that you step into every thread saying how you could beat their cars... Thats not the point! Who's faster is only of minor importance! What the point is is that there are other people in the world who like cars aswell and like to work on them. There are other people who have spent plenty of time and money on their cars and have somthing they are proud of. In my last post I labled you, I feal justefied in doing so because I've seen you do the same thing time and time agian without fail... This is the reason that I associate bling, narrow minded, ignorance and the "King of the Road syndrome" with mustangs...


Now as for all the people screaming about how "94svt5.0 just came in, stated his opinion and they just started flaming him :cry:"

Read back guys and gals, he crapped on DMC12s and Termvel's cars... I'm tired of seeing it happen so I said somthing about it, that somthing I said happened to be my opinion of 94sct5.0.

S2Corolla I see what your saying about if someone is asked to race they have the right to say "My car's this" and "My car's that" because "it gives them confidence about what they own" True... But how do you think the other guy feals about what he owns after he's just been told that its a two ton barge and a complete flop because it's underpowered? They came back with "Their Car's this" and "Their Car's that" to "restore confidence in what they own" not flaming...

[Gonthrax]

Originally posted by S2Corolla
Oh and not all Mustang owners are assholes, but if you go around saying that, I wouldn't be suprised if when YOU met them, they are...

I know not all 'stang owners are assholes, just some of them don't know anything about any other car accept a mustang and think it is the best car out there. I've met plenty who are cool as hell also!

Now when you say you wouldn't be supprised if when I met them they were assholes you are implying that I"m standoffish... Let me set the record straight. The only reason I jumped into this thread with guns drawn is because I've seen 94svt5.0 post before... Like I've said about 3 times before... I beleave that had you seen me post on any other terms you would find that I am not in the least bit stand offish and am quite friendly infact Sorry we had to meet under these terms.

[DMC12]

Whoaaaah there.

Originally posted by S2Corolla
Okay, ungrounded? Since when? He knows his car...

The claims against the DMC were ungrounded. I never denied any of his claims on the Cobra (that I can remember). he is correct that the Cobra is fast in a straight line. According to "the Web", a Cobra runs 0-60 in 6.3 seconds. He'll be whooped by a WRX, but at least he'll beat a good % of the cars out there.

Originally posted by S2Corolla I purposely go on the Honda forum and talk trash... Why? Because in my first two posts on that thread I didn't say anything biased or flagrant, and they flamed me... [/b]

I was treated the same way when I got on AF. Didn't disrespect anyone either. That is why I changed my avatar to show the evolution of an innocent young boy into the leader of the Dark Side. i can relate to Anakin's slide into hell...

[i]Don't ask for a post if you don't want people to post their opinion. [/b]

I just ask that the "opinion" relate to the question asked. I didn't ask "what do U think of my car?". Actually, I should create a post like that just to hear all the ignorant comments made.

By the way, T.V. is not my boyfriend... that was just another stupid flame from Cobraboy.

[94svt5.0]

Is it not funny how people only see what they want ? Regardless of intent or careful articulation. As in the case of gonthrax, dmc, and termvel, they assume any sort of confrontation on facts and statements of opinion is some kind of personal attack. Many of my comments have been screwed and misinterpeted to fill some warped preconcieved notions. Once again let me restate that my purpose for posting was in support of the thunderbird beating the delorian. If the comments and facts I have made are offensive, then I would harbor concern about how the three of you survive in everyday life. I suppose you go around mad at the world, being that all input and interactions are interpreted as personal attacks. I like cars, and as I stated in a past post the delorian is a fine collectable and conversation piece. I am also a mustang fan and am very much aware of the pros and cons of mustangs. The stock numbers on the cobra puts it in the 0-60 range from 6.1-6.3 sec. Not that fast, but was pretty good for 1994. It now runs the 1/4 in high 13s, and 0-60 in the low 5 sec range. This is with the couple bolt ons in my sig. Still not the fastest thing around, but a decent performer none the less. Anyway lets stop the he said she said business and get on with car performance. And remeber gonthrax, dmc and termvel, not to take every thing as a flame.

[S2Corolla]

You know what? I think the whole Anakin changing to the dark side thing SUCKs... But it's all Obi Wan Kenobi's fault... DAMN YOU, OBI!!! He always talked trash whenever Anakin was trying to earn credit or protect Padime (sp?), I'd jump to protect her ALL the time... lol...

I think Obi Wan was jealous coz he wanted to hit it, and he knew Anakin was the only one with game on Padme....

You do know, Obi Wan and Anakin have a stand off BEFORE Anakin turns to the darkside right? I'm not gonna ruin it for you, just telling you that will make you more anxious for the movie that ISN'T coming out until I"m married... lol

[Gonthrax]

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Is it not funny how people only see what they want ? Regardless of intent or careful articulation. As in the case of gonthrax, dmc, and termvel, they assume any sort of confrontation on facts and statements of opinion is some kind of personal attack. Many of my comments have been screwed and misinterpeted to fill some warped preconcieved notions. Once again let me restate that my purpose for posting was in support of the thunderbird beating the delorian. If the comments and facts I have made are offensive, then I would harbor concern about how the three of you survive in everyday life. I suppose you go around mad at the world, being that all input and interactions are interpreted as personal attacks. I like cars, and as I stated in a past post the delorian is a fine collectable and conversation piece. I am also a mustang fan and am very much aware of the pros and cons of mustangs. The stock numbers on the cobra puts it in the 0-60 range from 6.1-6.3 sec. Not that fast, but was pretty good for 1994. It now runs the 1/4 in high 13s, and 0-60 in the low 5 sec range. This is with the couple bolt ons in my sig. Still not the fastest thing around, but a decent performer none the less. Anyway lets stop the he said she said business and get on with car performance. And remeber gonthrax, dmc and termvel, not to take every thing as a flame.

First of all, kindly do not lump us all togather... We each responded in a different way.
Second of all, I didn't think you were making any sort of attack agianst me at all... I was just saying how I didn't think it was nice to shit on people's cars...
Third off, If you are indeed a car lover, I'm sorry that I said that you wern't, all I have to go by is what you post that I see and all I have seen is "Go Mustang" "Screw 'insert car name here' " If this is not true then I truly sorry.
Fourth, I know a flame when I see one, I didn't think anything in this thread was ment as a flame... On a liner note, I've heard to much talk of "flaming" in the last few after the fiasco in PH... Please let's not over use this word like we did PW. It has a time and a place, and I say agian, I haven't seen the need of it's use in this thread yet.

[94svt5.0]

Originally posted by Gonthrax


First of all, kindly do not lump us all togather... We each responded in a different way.
Second of all, I didn't think you were making any sort of attack agianst me at all... I was just saying how I didn't think it was nice to shit on people's cars...
Third off, If you are indeed a car lover, I'm sorry that I said that you wern't, all I have to go by is what you post that I see and all I have seen is "Go Mustang" "Screw 'insert car name here' " If this is not true then I truly sorry.
Fourth, I know a flame when I see one, I didn't think anything in this thread was ment as a flame... On a liner note, I've heard to much talk of "flaming" in the last few after the fiasco in PH... Please let's not over use this word like we did PW. It has a time and a place, and I say agian, I haven't seen the need of it's use in this thread yet.

Im sorry you misinterpreted my post as being anti-"fill in the blank" car. But, at the very heart of the performance car hobby is not the purpose of "modding" a car, to make it faster then others? You take out the competitive aspect of cars and what do you have? An empty hobby where you migh as well just get the cheapest most economical vehicle with no performance potential, park it at the end of the day and not give it another thought. This "my car is better then yours" mentality when in the propper ratio with respect of other cars in general, is a healthy part of the car hobby. When taken to the extreme, one feels that their car is invincible and greater then all, able to beat the fastest rival with the flick of the foot, regardless of how old and slow their car really is. This is far from the good nature smack talk aginst other cars which is part of the hobby, and this was what I was trying to engage in. But, as said previously, people only read and see what they want to believe.

[TerminalVelocity]

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Anyway lets stop the he said she said business and get on with car performance.

Well if you feel capable then shall we proceed?

Whats your oppinion on the performance specs of the Thunderbird and Delorian, power and handling, and please continue using this well versed dialect rather than that street lingo.