What’s wrong with Ford and the new Mustang?

[zx2srdotnet]

expensive? hell you can buy a turbo kit to make 200whp for only 4k (turbo kit), add about 2k for basic boltons and head work your in business.

do yo know how many cars the zetec shares parts w/?
whole focus line, Escorts/Puma's in the UK, Contour and Cougar. all american I4's are more expencive then jap ones.

why? kids look at HP on hondas and dont see TQ as a factor. so more jap cars are being bought for.

Zetecs are strong motors. They can make over 300whp N/A, there are 220hp(stock) versions in the UK, and Focus-power has a focus making over 500HP still on stock cams, and they have 10psi and a 125shot they havent used on it yet. lol

[01L2Cobra]

Originally Posted by zx2srdotnet

there are 220hp(stock) versions versions in the UK

Yep the RS is a verry nice car too


But wait till 07
Mazda sourced 2.3i Turbo-Charged engine with 280bhp on tap, intelligent 4WD system with centre Differential, aggressive bodystyling similar to the Fiesta RS Concepts, luxury interior, lightweight body panels!
http://www.focuscosworth.co.uk/news/...w_Focus_RS.htm

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by zx2srdotnet

expensive? hell you can buy a turbo kit to make 200whp for only 4k (turbo kit), add about 2k for basic boltons and head work your in business.

exactly, turbo kit for the 3.8, get one new for 3k and be makin over 250 easy. with just that.

As far as the RS goes, yeah that is a nice car... If they sold them here it would probably be my next car. Im a big focus fan. I know the zetec is a good motor, but its still more expensive than a lot of other motors, i think your probably right about the reason being that kids all look at hondas and whatnot. from what i hear the 2.3 duratec is a little more wallet friendly. idk if its necessarily a better motor though. im not trying to discredit anything you said about the zetec though, i like it. what pisses me off is that everyone still bashes american reliability and and technology when we have motors like that one that is just as good or better than a lot of japanese motors. my mom actually has a focus, those things really handle quite well.

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by 01L2Cobra

Yep the RS is a verry nice car too


But wait till 07
Mazda sourced 2.3i Turbo-Charged engine with 280bhp on tap, intelligent 4WD system with centre Differential, aggressive bodystyling similar to the Fiesta RS Concepts, luxury interior, lightweight body panels!
http://www.focuscosworth.co.uk/news/...w_Focus_RS.htm

so your saying the new focus RS will have 280hp? i might just have to try to get one imported in a few years.

[zx2srdotnet]

they made a 450hp AWD RS200 in the UK in the 80's it was a turbo 2.0L

I have YET to see ford pring a car that sweet over there

the 450hp version did 0-60 in 2.8 secs
there was a 550HP version also.

[Jaguar D-Type]

Blogs just seem to be getting more like blogarbage these days...

Did that writer actually research to see if Ford had launched an all-new 3.5 liter V-6?

Last time I checked, the new Mustang is having its best sales year since 1994. Around 192,000 Mustang will be built by the end of this year. Are great sales somehow a "problem?"

check the link for the new V-6 and 6 speed auto

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=484038

Is something "wrong" with beating Porsche, BMW, Nissan, etc. on the race track?

http://www.grandamerican.com/News/Article.asp?ID=5227

http://www.multimaticmotorsports.com...mpringham.html

http://www.grandamerican.com/News/Article.asp?ID=5269





A new Shelby GT350 should be built with the weight kept down. The original Shelby GT350s handled better than the GT500s.

1965 Shelby GT350



with the rant on things American from "The Tao of Jeff"...

Hp/liter has ZERO effect on the performance of a car. Heck, the new Corvette Z06's hand-built 505 hp LS7 weighs 71 pounds less than the new BMW M5's 5.0 liter V-10. The new Z06 gets 26 mpg and it is the only production car sold in America with more than 400 hp that doesn't get a gas guzzler tax (same goes for the C6 Corvette but it has an even 400 hp).

A Saleen S7 Twin Turbo smokes many Euro exotics and it has racing heritage.

[Jaguar D-Type]

The Austrailan Ford Falcon should be built here.

check this link

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=379989

[Jaguar D-Type]

Originally Posted by zx2srdotnet

Mustang = 300
Charger = 340
GTO = 400

Different cars for different markets.

[TheStang00]

bout time someone that agrees with me came in here...

[eillob]

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

Different cars for different markets.

What do you mean by that? Its my opinion that all three of these cars would be aimed at the same market.

[Jaguar D-Type]

Originally Posted by eillob

What do you mean by that? Its my opinion that all three of these cars would be aimed at the same market.

Well, the new Charger R/T has four doors, no manual transmission available, and isn't as sporty as a new Mustang GT.

The new Pontiac GTO costs more (by around $8,000) and is pitched against more expensive cars like the Infiniti G35 Coupe and the BMW 3 series coupe.

As a side note, the new Mitsubishi Eclipse SE (V-6 model I think) is priced similar to a new Mustang GT, but it is fwd and weighs a lot.

[TheStang00]

thats a good assesment. the GTO is more a gentlemens cruiser, ableit a fast cruiser. its heavy, costs a lot... its not quite as sporty, thats why the 05 mustang gt is actually faster than an ls1 GTO. dispite having less power. The same is not true however of camaros and WS6's, those ls1 cars are faster than the 05 mustang gt

[zx2srdotnet]

Originally Posted by Jaguar D-Type

As a side note, the new Mitsubishi Eclipse SE (V-6 model I think) is priced similar to a new Mustang GT, but it is fwd and weighs a

the Eclipse was never ment to really be a sports car, just a car be be a coupe and still perform with the performance v6's not v8's. its alos only 263hp not 300.

and its GT not SE, the SE is like 28k

Originally Posted by TheStang00

thats a good assesment. the GTO is more a gentlemens cruiser, ableit a fast cruiser. its heavy, costs a lot... its not quite as sporty, thats why the 05 mustang gt is actually faster than an ls1 GTO. dispite having less power. The same is not true however of camaros and WS6's, those ls1 cars are faster than the 05 mustang gt

the GTO is being pushed a a refined muscle car. The LS1 GTO was in like 04, why not compaire the LS2 in the 05 to the GT since they are both 05's?
that like me saying my Escort can make a 98 v6 Mustang look like a child w/ down-syndome at the track because it has more power, but it weights a lot more then me. It's not a fair comparison, a fair comparison would be a 99 v6 that is more of a driver race and it's the same year.

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by zx2srdotnet

the Eclipse was never ment to really be a sports car, just a car be be a coupe and still perform with the performance v6's not v8's. its alos only 263hp not 300.

and its GT not SE, the SE is like 28k




the GTO is being pushed a a refined muscle car. The LS1 GTO was in like 04, why not compaire the LS2 in the 05 to the GT since they are both 05's?
that like me saying my Escort can make a 98 v6 Mustang look like a child w/ down-syndome at the track because it has more power, but it weights a lot more then me. It's not a fair comparison, a fair comparison would be a 99 v6 that is more of a driver race and it's the same year.

dude i just dont get you, your argument makes no sense. you are just totally missing the point. i was making the point that the mustang is sportier by pointing out how it wins in a race when the other car has more power, thats due to gearing and suspension etc... it does not matter what year of car we are talking about!! what year has nothing to do with the concept itself. the only reason the result is different with the ls2 GTO is because the mustang is then at an even greater disadvantage. and even then, its still a close race, thus still verifying my point. the whole freaking point here is that im not trying to compare them because they arent meant to be compared with each other!! they are different types of cars.

also, no stock escort in 99 is going to beat a stock manual v6 stang from 99 period.

[Joshta]

Too much love in here.

Yes the new S7 is insanely bad and when i win the lottery i will own one. Not arguing but 0-60 in 2.8 out of 450hp seems a little much. The Enzo ran 3-3 with 650hp, given it does weigh 3200lbs but come on. A 2.8 would throw it in the S7 range and run 1/4 at mid-high 10s. It would theoretically have to weight about 1770lbs.