Honda CRX to beat firebird - news at 11

[WakkaWu]

First, I hope I didn't offend you.. I don't mean to imply anything negative about Firebirds. With that said, Firebirds are constructed, marketed, and sold for completely different purposes than Hondas. Watch a commercial for a Honda, what do they emphasize? Fuel Economy, Affordability (which is becoming untrue these days, $18,000 for a Civic?) , and reliability. Watch a Firebird or Camaro ad, what do they emphasize? Speed, Power, Attitude. It's a completely different animal.

Yes I agree but when you race a Firebird against a Civic then that all changes.And when a teen mods his Honda into a Fast and The Furious supercar then the concept that its affordable and fuel saving changes.

I know that GM/Pontiac's quality is getting better, but on the whole- you could never convince me that Firebird's are going to last longer than Hondas. Maybe a 60's bird, but not a newer one. I might have bought that BEFORE the alternator on the '97 went out 4 times in 2 years. Or before the distributor problems.

And you could never convince me that a Honda will last longer than a Firebird.Though Hondas are reliable and long lasting,V-8s last very long.

I might have bought that BEFORE the alternator on the '97 went out 4 times in 2 years.

What car was that on?

All I'd like to interject into the conversation is that if this kid has modified his reliable transportation with a turbo kit, good intake and header(s) then it's going to be a tough call. All the F-body guys and muscle-car afficianados are going to scream "More horsepower wins!" but that's simply ficticious. The bottom line is that a super-light import with tweaked intake and DOHC has a great chance of matching a much heavier V8. Half your horses are spent making up for the weight difference.

If you modify the hell out of your Honda then your gonna put up quite a fight and possibly win.Depending on how excessive the mods are.But a 3,319lbs is nothing to a 325HP engine.My Cadillac Coupe Deville has 190HP.That car weighs 4,200 pounds.And that sucker moves!No lie,it runs mid 12s and (in a huge parking lot)0-60 in 6 seconds.

[mellowboy]

american v8's last LONG??? BULLSHIT!!! Don't bring this bullshit up again. Seriously thats all we own now is american cars and mainly lincoln town cars and caprice etc... We always had problems with them. Sorry to say bro but hondas are much more reliable than american v8's.

[jem7vwh]

First, I have to admit - you're the first person I've run up against in the last 10 years who believes that American engines last longer than good imports. Hell, even GM doesn't believe that. That's why they're building their "reliable" cars on a Toyota Corolla engine. Check it out yourself, the Pontiac Vibe is built on the Toyota Corolla platform.

Furthermore, look at your example. You said 190HP pushes your Cadilac around fine. My Accord is a 2.2L with 130HP stock. I guarantee my Honda is about 2 times lighter than your Caddy. If I had nothing better to do than race my car, I'd add intake, turbo, headers and exhaust. I have to imagine that I could get it up over 200 with turbo and headers. So which wins... 200+ HP on a very light import, or 190HP on a heavy American made boat?

I don't condone hotrodding economy cars. They're not built for it and the engines certainly aren't made to withstand the Nitrous and other idiocy that people put them through. However, if this kid has done half of what we talked about:

Intake
Headers
Exhaust
Turbo
Nitrous
And if he has a DOHC engine

then he could very definately win.

[pontiactrac]

[quote]Originally posted by WakkaWu
[quote]As an owner of an Accord, I thought I'd speak up here.

First of all, these cars are not designed to be sports cars. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise has something to sell, or a self-esteem issue. They're designed to be solid, safe cars that get me from home to work 10 years after your firebird is a piece of crap sitting in a seedy used car lot.

With that said, it's very possible that this kid will beat you.

The 2nd Gen CRX was about the lightest vehicle Honda ever made. These cars weigh less than your bird's door.

So that means it takes a lot less torque and less horses to make these things fly. If he's stupid enough to have Nitrous, then he could undoubtedly beat you off the line. A mostly stock CRX with turbo and intakes recently made 10.2 in front of my eyes. Of course, it's a deathtrap. I love Hondas myself...as reliable quality transportation. Not as sportscars. You'll probably beat him, but if you see Nitrous venting from the hood, it'll be a battle.

There not designed to be sport cars?Hmmm.Every Honda I have ever seen was a sport car.And sorry but a Honda is not more reliable a longer lasting than a Firebird.V-8s tend to last much longer than any V-4 I have ever owned.But Im also not saying Hondas arent reliable.Because they are.I also see a lot of Hondas begining to rot(body) 7 years after they are built.I never have been a big fan of Jappenese metal.

Now if a 2nd generation CRX can run 11s than maybe it could beat this kid and his bird.325HP will make a Firebird(3,319lbs) phucking boogie like mad.The Firebird may weigh twice the CRX but all that HP would burn the CRX.But if your CRX has Nitrous then forget about it,Mr.Bird is left in the dust.

I think this is an overjudgement on the ability of a crx, maybe with alot of mods it can be made into a deciently speedy car. But when you are comparing this to a firebird, it seems almost lifeless. You have forgotten about torque, light weight does not mean no weight at all. Something has gotta pull that honda, and what is pulling it isn't even close to the power behind the firebird. Reliability isnt really the topic, people dont by f-birds because they'll last as long as a honda. im sure many would agree with me there. And lastly, if you are talking about nitro, you are talking about something impractical, the output of a car should be measured on the car's ability at all, if you are using nitro, you might as well stap on a damn rocket on the thing. What i am saying, is if this guy is racing and beats you with nitro, it doesn't put his honda in any better of a light. and besides, IT'S ILLEGAL (i guess that doesn't matter since ur racing anyway though.)

[pontiactrac]

[quote]Originally posted by jem7vwh
[b]First, I have to admit - you're the first person I've run up against in the last 10 years who believes that American engines last longer than good imports. Hell, even GM doesn't believe that. That's why they're building their "reliable" cars on a Toyota Corolla engine. Check it out yourself, the Pontiac Vibe is built on the Toyota Corolla platform.

Furthermore, look at your example. You said 190HP pushes your Cadilac around fine. My Accord is a 2.2L with 130HP stock. I guarantee my Honda is about 2 times lighter than your Caddy. If I had nothing better to do than race my car, I'd add intake, turbo, headers and exhaust. I have to imagine that I could get it up over 200 with turbo and headers. So which wins... 200+ HP on a very light import, or 190HP on a heavy American made boat?

Im sure his caddy has a much nicer and safer interior than the accord too, which is what most of the weight is from. Waka, id cruise in your caddy anyday.

[WakkaWu]

american v8's last LONG??? BULLSHIT!!! Don't bring this bullshit up again. Seriously thats all we own now is american cars and mainly lincoln town cars and caprice etc... We always had problems with them. Sorry to say bro but hondas are much more reliable than american v8's.

Comeon.So your saying your Honda would last longer than my Coupe Deville.You need your head checked my friend.How many American V-8s have you ever owned.From what Im hearing out of you mouth you have owned none.I have owned nothing but them.My Coupe has about 290,000 miles on it.I have never had a problem with it.Oh and my father-in-law also owns a garage.More Hondas and Acuras come in there than any other make.Mostly dropping new engines in them.So why don't you keep your opinions to yourself unless there intelligent.And why don't you not bring your longer lasting Honda BS up again.

First, I have to admit - you're the first person I've run up against in the last 10 years who believes that American engines last longer than good imports. Hell, even GM doesn't believe that. That's why they're building their "reliable" cars on a Toyota Corolla engine. Check it out yourself, the Pontiac Vibe is built on the Toyota Corolla platform.

How do you know GM believes that.Why,did you happen to ask Bob Lutz?One car there building on the Toyota platform.One.Oh,and the engine,its GM.

Furthermore, look at your example. You said 190HP pushes your Cadilac around fine. My Accord is a 2.2L with 130HP stock. I guarantee my Honda is about 2 times lighter than your Caddy. If I had nothing better to do than race my car, I'd add intake, turbo, headers and exhaust. I have to imagine that I could get it up over 200 with turbo and headers. So which wins... 200+ HP on a very light import, or 190HP on a heavy American made boat?

Did you even bother to look at the specs on my car before you made such a stupid comment?And I guarntee that my stock coupe could leave your stock Honda in the dust.And put intake,turbo,headers,and exhuast in my Coupe and watch it boogie.Kinda makes somewhat sense to you right.I hope so.But in my case,if my Coupe can do 0-60 in 6 seconds then weight is not a problem correct?And my Caddy may be a boat but whos the one whos gonna die when they wrap there car around a telephone pole.You in the match box car or me in the land yatch?You!And whos got the better ride and more comfortable ride?Me!HAHA.And why do you think there so heavy?Because they put cement in the doors?No because there built to last.

I don't condone hotrodding economy cars. They're not built for it and the engines certainly aren't made to withstand the Nitrous and other idiocy that people put them through. However, if this kid has done half of what we talked about:

Of course there built for the abuse.If they werent then they wouldnt be able to withstand the power and force put through them.

Waka, id cruise in your caddy anyday.

Thanks,its wicked fun to drive because of its speed.It burns out and all you see is smoke for about a block.

[Gripenfelter]

Isn't benchracing the coolest?

Race him and videotape it.

End of story.