weight distribution on the F-bodies?

[89IROC&RS]

gezus, sorry man, but as far as surface area having an effect on friction you are wrong. perhaps you are thinking i mean the coefficient of friction, which surface area does not impact, but the more surface area you have between two objects the more energy is required to move them against each other. this is basic, if you dont get it, im not gonna try and explain it, i have more important stuff to do. also, i might point out that the acceleration of a car, is not a perfect system, and the force created is not simply a rotational one at the wheels, in fact there is a rotational force from the driveshaft, which tries to rotate the axles perpendicular to the rotation of the wheels. if you have ever seen a high power drag car with no chassis modifications, you will note that the axle actually lifts the rear of the car and can sometimes even lift one of the tires off the ground. so if you want to argue that there is a force on the rear of the car, it would actually be lifting it, not pushing it down. and your whold description of the rear tires being the center of rotation, and lifting the front.... i already said that, so are you agreeing with me or somehow think your arguing a different point. ??? and you state that there is a second forward force that pushes the wheels into the chassis, that is a result of friction, and the tire moving forward due to its rotational force. against another object.

i do have one request if your gonna flame me, do it with the smarts you have, and not your merit badges. grades, scores, all that means nothing, its how productive you are, and how well you regurgitate crap in school. not your intellegence. i myself score in the top 99.5% of the nation in math, science, and IQ scores. so dont try to impress me into shutting up. i already stated that i knew you had a firm grasp of what you are talking about and concieded that we were more likely than not arguing different points to the same conclution without knowing it. so calm down, take a breath, and perhaps find a way to vent frustration other than hitting your caps lock key

[Chevyracincamaro]

thats a long post...

[Joseph1082]

ok, well, you started with me with your comment about i need to change or something before i could teach... any way, PM me your fax number and I will fax you over the section on friction out of my old text book... I am begging you, please, on my hands and knees... LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU POST... Surface area has NOTHING to do with friction, if you are trying to say you are so smart, as smart as me, blah blah, then please post YOUR equation for the force of friction between two bodies that are rubbing against one another. Please allow me to fax you over the section before you continuely post wrong info. I AM TELLING YOU I HAVE PROOF YOU ARE WRONG, at least examine it before you come out here and tell me I must be mistaken yet you provide no evidence of such. I may be self-assured but you are bordering on outright arrogance.

[Joseph1082]

Oh, and you are missing what I am saying about the lift/drop effect but if you let me a will fax you over diagrams illistrating what i am talking about, and then you will probably understand. Just for the record, i am not refering to any torque associated w/ the driveshaft, but rather a different phenomenon.

[HotBoys09]

Now I might not have all the credentials (NONE, lol) that you all may have, and I could care less about all that....I just have to make a point. I personally think that surface area has a huge effect on friction. For a while it was talked about having bike tires on the car and pushing it, etc. Imagine running that car with 400 horses, opposed to running a car with 400 horses and 10 inch wide tires, both with same grip. And if you wanna come back at me, fine, but please don't do it with that "Dude, I'm smarter than you so listen to me" I would really like to know what's real...

(And please don't ask for my fax number...I'm out of paper, lol)

[Joseph1082]

OK, but listen, I am telling you that RIGHT now the book is open in front of me..."Fundamentals of Physics, sixth edition, Halliday/Resnick/Walker" p.99 section 6-1, Friction. No where does it say SURFACE AREA has any impact on frictional force, this is a common misconception. But instead of doing reseach for yourself, you guys come on here and insult me.
Oh, look at this...
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae140.cfm

[Joseph1082]

or this... http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc...9/phy99449.htm

[Joseph1082]

I expect my apology

[Hypsi87]

I agree with IROC....... surface area will affect drag.


Besides, my car is faster than yours so what I say goes........LOL


p.s. that was a joke, take it for what it is worth.

[boots03]

Come on ppl, Lets not turn this into another import vs domestic post

[Joseph1082]

READ the DAMN websites before you post, I am very frustrated right now, Hypsi, you are always a logical person, please read this...
http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/decarlo/friction3.htm

[Chevyracincamaro]

cold air rises, diffusion is the flow of particles from low density to high density, and the value of PI is exactly three!!!

that oughta get his blood boiling...

[Joseph1082]

What, r u not man enough to admit that i was right after i posted proof... "FRICTIO IS INDEPENDENT OF SURFACE AREA",
What's wrong, I though you were soooo smart, how come you didn't know that
And Y r u acting like a child, is there an intelligent reason to get me boiling, or do u just feel stupid because you told me I didn'r know what I was talking about but apparently I did.

[Chevyracincamaro]

well actually i never was involved in the surface area arguement, i shut the hell up when we decided that weight distribution and mass distribution were different things...not that i ever said they were, there was just a misunderstanding, i think its kindof funny that youre making such a huge deal out of this...you made your point, let us read it and then let us respond, you lost my respect when you demanded an apology. thats just dick and arrogant, i dont care how solid the laws of physics are...

[boots03]

People Let this dog rest jesus christ......
this is really ending up like that fucking import vs domestic post