Which car would u pick ?

[Knightsport]

Originally posted by JD@af
That is definitely new. I am surprised (and scared for Honda!) by Nissan's bold move. My only concern, from Nissan's perspective, is whether or not the new Altima is going to compete with the Maxima now. Nissan argues that it won't.. but I really don't see how it can't.

This kind of competition within a given make is what prompted Honda to eliminate the Prelude from their model line-up.. we'll see how it plays out for Nissan.

Actually,Nissan is looking for the Altima to take over the Maxima's market segment. Just FYI.

[JBL85]

HAHA.....no it makes TORQUE period compared to a whole 153 @ the crank.....which is equivlent to about 130 at the wheels which is pathetic number

[JBL85]

uhh sorry.....that was in response to the comparison of the S2000 and E46 my bad

[flylwsi]

f20c meant similar hp/liter numbers.

also... is a rx7 gtu n/a or turbo? i honestly dont know, but if it is turbo, it doesnt count... also... i believe that the number is for current production cars right now on the hp/liter...

[F20C]

Originally posted by Knightsport


This is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Horsepower is a mathematical function of torque. Torque is what makes a car fast off the line,it's what makes the car "pull."

A good saying to rememeber,"Torque gets you there,HP keeps you there."

I know HP is basically Constant Torque over Time.

Torque is the powerband below 5200 rpm and Hp is everything after that up till redline. I still stand by my words that Torque(pull) is what makes you think your fast. However HP(Speed) is what's actually fast. You can be pull all you want at 1000 (300 lb.ft Torque) rpm in a Z06 but the maximum speed that gear holds up to would still be near it's 6500 rpm redline.

[F20C]

Originally posted by Knightsport


The E46 makes 333hp and just as much torque,how is that similar to the S2000?

333 hp and 269 lb.ft torque. You call that just as much torque?

It's not like the E36 USDM M3 engine that makes 240 hp and 235 lb.ft torque.

[F20C]

Originally posted by JBL85
HAHA.....no it makes TORQUE period compared to a whole 153 @ the crank.....which is equivlent to about 130 at the wheels which is pathetic number

If I wanted a DRAG machine I wouldn't have bought s2000. Let's see Camaro Z28SS would make a great Drag car. Even the SVT Cobra looks promising with little mods you can be 12's easily. However you can go ask anyone that does Track and Auto-X. S2000 is arugeably one of the best dollar/performance car you can buy today. But then I forgot to mention to you it's a real enthusiast's car. So people like you won't have a clue what kind of car it is.

[F20C]

Originally posted by flylwsi
f20c meant similar hp/liter numbers.

also... is a rx7 gtu n/a or turbo? i honestly dont know, but if it is turbo, it doesnt count... also... i believe that the number is for current production cars right now on the hp/liter...

Hey man I haven't seen you online for a long time.

[Knightsport]

Originally posted by F20C


333 hp and 269 lb.ft torque. You call that just as much torque?

It's not like the E36 USDM M3 engine that makes 240 hp and 235 lb.ft torque.

It's ALOT closer than the S2000's 240hp and almost 100 less torque!

At least the M3 MAKES torque.


And no,torque doesn't make you "THINK," you are faster,it MAKES you faster period.

So you're telling me a guy in a Viper just "thinks" his car is fast from all that "pesky torque." Riiiiiiight.

[F20C]

Originally posted by Knightsport


It's ALOT closer than the S2000's 240hp and almost 100 less torque!

At least the M3 MAKES torque.


And no,torque doesn't make you "THINK," you are faster,it MAKES you faster period.

So you're telling me a guy in a Viper just "thinks" his car is fast from all that "pesky torque." Riiiiiiight.

A lot closer but still not the same amount of torque. When was I contesting M3 not making torque? Go find where I said that please! Anyways I said M3 make more torque because it had more displacement.

The force that drive you to your seats is torque (pull) Actually going fast happens in the hp range of the powerband. Which is when you are close to the redline of the engine. Go read your speedometer for first gear 1000 rpm you might be at 10 mph and 6000 rpm you might be 65 mph. Which one is faster?

Don't forget Viper guy also have 450 hp.

[Knightsport]

Originally posted by F20C


A lot closer but still not the same amount of torque. When was I contesting M3 not making torque? Go find where I said that please! Anyways I said M3 make more torque because it had more displacement.

The force that drive you to your seats is torque (pull) Actually going fast happens in the hp range of the powerband. Which is when you are close to the redline of the engine. Go read your speedometer for first gear 1000 rpm you might be at 10 mph and 6000 rpm you might be 65 mph. Which one is faster?

Don't forget Viper guy also have 450 hp.

My main disagreement is that you used the word,"think."

Torque doesn't make you "think" anything. It's what gets you moving,which is why say a Camaro will get to the 1/4 mile marker faster than say a Honda Civic DX.

[F20C]

Originally posted by Knightsport


My main disagreement is that you used the word,"think."

Torque doesn't make you "think" anything. It's what gets you moving,which is why say a Camaro will get to the 1/4 mile marker faster than say a Honda Civic DX.

I'll give you a example and you can think for yourself.

1995 Toyota MR2-T

200 bhp @ 6000 rpm
200 lbs ft @ 3200 rpm
2824 lbs Curb Weight

Manufacture Suggested Time of 6.2 seconds for 0-60 mph.

2000 Honda S2000

240 bhp @ 8300 rpm
153 lbs ft @ 7500 rpm
2809 lbs Curb Weight

Manufacture Suggested Time of 6.0 seconds for 0-60 mph.

You need to explain why a Torqueless car but has more HP can beat a car with plenty of torque and at low rpms too. Weight is not much different either.

[JBL85]

uhh....s2000

0-60 is more like 4.9 isnt it?

[F20C]

S2000's 0-60 average is around mid 5. Some people have achieve 5.1 but nothing else better. The 4.9 from Car and Driver's Sibling Love Issue was a misprint.

[RazorGTR]

Originally posted by JBL85
SHUDDUP....not our fault we live in US and we dont get damn freakin cool skylines

Sorry mate I was out of line. Taking frustrations out via my opinion. I actually went and voted for the Integra, even though I have nothing but problems with Honda guys down here constantly trying to have goes with me and frankly it is getting old.

The Honda S2000 is a sleek car. I had the opertunity of getting a ride in one a while back and also got to see it hit the dyno at one of our local tuning houses. It was pretty stock standard with on the filter and exhaust done but actually did pretty good. It threw 118kw (158 bhp) at the wheels. That is pretty much on par with a Skyline GTS-t. The 2 litre single turbo version of the R32 model. That would lead me to believe that the acclaimed hp is slightly off as the GTS-t is rated at 220bhp and can achieve the same number with a really good exhaust system fitted.

The S2000 is factory trim does have a bit of body roll but heck that is to be expected with a plush style of suspension, well not so much plush but not a true high performance touring car suspension.

For those tossing numbers out be fair as the M3 and the S2000 are two totally different machines built on different platforms with different goals in mind. Comparing the two would be the same as comparing the M3 to the mighty GTR (doesn't matter the model R32, R33, or R34). There is not comparison