rb 35?? wah the .........

[200sx]

the skyline it's God righ now if you put a Vanything on it, it would be like naming a fagget Dredereck

[R35]

WHUT?!?!

[Morpheus XIII]

I concur with the "WHUT?!?!".

the skyline it's God righ now if you put a Vanything on it, it would be like naming a fagget Dredereck

--200sx

Attempted deciphering:
The Skyline is God right now, and if they put a V motor on it, it would be like naming a homosexual 'Dredereck'. <~~that part still gets me.

Straight 6 motors are much more user friendly. They are smoother powerplants that rev evenly in all parts of the powerband, due to their natural design. They are also simpler to modify with aftermarket parts. Regardless of the type of future plans for turbos, inline motors are generally easier to work with. The entire exhaust manifold is on one side. The shape of the motor (vertical) allows more room for the space consuming whistlers, in longitudinally front-mounted inlines.

This is not to say that angled Vs are faulty. It is just that those who intend to purchase and/or modify 6-cylinder engines generally prefer inlines for their ease of usage.

Extremely popular I-6 shooters for mods: 1/2JZGTE, RB26/25DETT
How often do you see a turbo NSX? Rare, no? It seems like the best route for the V6 C30A1/C32B2 is a blower.

[VQuick]

In a head-on collision! Imagine having such a big, long, heavy engine end up in your lap!
Even BMW is considering a switch from inline sixes, and you know how much they use theirs. The I6 just plain weighs too much, and is too long. Whether you mount it transversely or longitudinally, you have to make space for it, and that means having a big engine bay. Like I said before, long engine= long or wide engine bay=more materials needed for the frame=more weight!
The big, iron-block, RB is one of the main reasons the Skyline weighs so much. When you think about it, the excessive weight is the car's only real flaw. There isn't much you can do to the Skyline to lighten it and keep it's awd+aws systems other than putting in a lighter engine. That's what an aluminum V6 and even V8 would help with. I've never heard of an aluminum I6, so it might not be possible.

Think about it this way: Do you want the new GT-R to have the same flaw the other GT-Rs always had(Weight, which gets progressively higher with every new model), or would you like to see it improve and actually take a step further into supercar territory? The Skyline has the power, and everyone knows it. The handling is very good, and inspires a lot of confidence in the driver. Top Gear, a Brit magazine, said that the R34 made you feel like a hero when driving it. Think of how much it would improve with less weight!

It's time for Nissan's flagship to take charge!

[R35]

Have to agree with V-Quick on some of it. Yes improving the Skyine is a good thing 110% no doubt about it.

The only thing is like you say "The Skyline has the power, and everyone knows it.". True, but that is with the current engine the I6 RB. NO ONE!!! Not I, not anyone else in the world, at this point not even the egineers at Nissan can say whether going with a V6 or V8 would be better than trying to create a lighter I6.

It would be expensive for sure to invest in a new engine, but the Skyline has always been the top technology car from Nissan.

As for weight (correct me if I'm wrong) but didn't the Mitsubishi GTO/Dodge Stealth use a V-6 TT and weight over 3500 or so? In the end even a V engine could weight a ton, no?

As long as the GT-R keeps the mean killer look that the current R34 has I'll be happy with either engine. In the end if you don't like the engine modify it:finger:

[Morpheus XIII]

Even BMW is considering a switch from inline sixes, and you know how much they use theirs.

--VQuick

True. I believe the next generation M3 is in V format. Not a V6, but a V8. Will this make it lighter? I haven't a clue, but heck, more power is always welcome. BMW has wisely started using V8s in the GT-class M3s running in the Le Mans series, and are giving the Porsches some much needed competition.

As for a V6 in the Skyline? Your wish is granted. Available in rear/all-wheel drive, the Skyline V35 will be powered by the VQ25/30DDs.

Will an upscale GT-R model have a twin-turbo variant, or the good old RB26DETT? Will it have a VQ35DD? Will there even be a GT-R? Like R35, I don't really mind what it has anymore, since I, like many of you, are familiar with modification. Perhaps automakers believe inlines have lived out their usefulness, but they will never be forgotten.

[R35]

"but they will never be forgotten."

Can we have a moment of silence please.:angel:

[VQuick]

R35, the Mitsu 3000GT(GTO in Japan) and it's Dodge Stealth twin used a V6TT, but the engine was an iron block like the RB. I don't know about Dodge, but Mitsubishi added a lot of useless techno-junk in the 3KGT like exhaust volume and ride firmness controls that stopped working after a while anyway. Can you blame them for being heavy? And I think the Skyline isn't too far from 3,500lbs as it is.
An aluminum block V6 like Nissan's VQ would be lighter than the engine from the Diamond Star twins and the RB in the Skyline. Even the Q45's new V8 might be close in weight to the RB, if you include the weight of the RB's turbo system.
And if you're going to make a lighter inline 6, the only thing you can really do is change the material the block is made of, which means changing to aluminum. You're still in the same spot pretty much, since the aluminum block I6 won't be as strong as an iron block I6. If the aluminum isn't as strong in a V6, why would it be any stronger in an I6? It'd be a waste of money, and I think Nissan knows that. Besides, they wouldn't be able to call it the RB anymore, they'd have to call it something else!

Morpheus, are you referring to the newest E46 M3? That one uses a 3.3L inline 6. However, BMW has been using the new 4.4L and 5L V8s in all of their other higher performance models(the M5, Z8, the upcoming 348hp X5HP) with the exception of the 750. It still gets the V12. The V8 BMW uses is aluminum and pretty compact, so there's a good chance that it could still be lighter than the inline 6 cylinders that are used.
I don't know if Nissan would use a DD version of the VQ35DE in the GT-R or not. They might not send any of the DDs to the states. They haven't yet. I have a better idea, but it remains to be seen if Nissan can keep up with my genius. The VQ30DET and TT are used in some of the larger sedans sold in Japan, like the Gloria and the President. Like the RB, they produce the limit of 276hp. It's rumored that the RB is really putting out 320hp stock. The normally aspirated VQ35DE however, will already make 305hp for the new Z. Imagine if that sucker used the turbo systems from it's 3L cousins!! With that combo, 400hp+ stock should be very possible, and the tunability of the turbos would still be better than the normally aspirated V8-powered 2nd gen Acura NSX and the similarly engined Toyota 4000GT. That's what i meant about taking charge!:flash:

[madman]

Sticking a V8 in the skyline doesn't necessarily mean Nissan are mad!!

It just depends on which V8 they stick in it.

If you remember, the RB26DETT is derived from the R380 racer. Now if Nissan do what makes sense and use the V8 from the R390 racer then that would be a very decent engine.

Being a 3.5litre twin turbo v8. The r390 has a magnesium block which somehow I doubt would get transferred to the skyline, but the power figures in the r390 road car are up at over 550bhp. Obviously the r390 engine is very light too.

Although the engine has not been as highly developed during its life as the RB26, I am sure it has equal capabilites.

Nissan's new boss man has been making claims that he wants to have class leading cars, performance wise etc.. Sticking that engine into the R35 would make sense, and even in heavily detuned form would provide a product that would happily compete with the 911's etc.. of 2003.

[R35]

You mean "MAD" like a "MADMAN"?!

Ya if they throw the R390 engine in the new GT-R you won't hear my complain. (much)

What I really care about right now is WHAT will the next GT-R look like?! or :angel:. I know what we all want

The current R34 looks like Conan the Barbarian in a 3 piece suit (with the RB modified in some of the cars it's more like the Incredible Hulk in Dress greens:frog: ). Very mean and agressive, something you don't wan't to cross in a dark alley, scary, you name it! And yet at the same time very refined, clean cut, luxurious, sofisticated, yada, yada.:sun:

Will the "R35" continue this look?! Or will it end up on the rice boy cutting room floor?!

I like the long hood of the Skyline and 240Z so the inline 6 works for me, I grew up with it. A short nose car should be a mid engine or a mini-van

[Morpheus XIII]

Morpheus, are you referring to the newest E46 M3? That one uses a 3.3L inline 6.

--VQuick

I am referring to the next M3, not the current model. It's been said that BMW engineers believe that their inline 6 has reached its peak racing development, and it is time to take it to the next level, meaning V8s. It's no wonder, considering the steady increase in displacement over the years. Recent Le Mans races with M3s hauled by V8s (now labeled M3 GTR) showed great improvement but like all new designs they need time for tweaking and tuning.

Times are changing for sports cars. It seems like automakers are designing gimmicks and oddities to make their cars more powerful. Sure they work, but all the classiness of a traditional sports car is gone. Who ever would have thought that a transverse mounted, front engined, turbocharged 4-cylinder Mitsubishi sedan would be able to equate straight line performance with a Corvette or Viper? Yet, these cars exist. And it even goes beyond that with handling/driveability and practicality. But it's no longer a classy car. Decades from now, would you rather have kept an auto designed in genuine sports car fashion, or some strange looking trend-mobile? I would much rather see a rusting R32, JZA80, or any other LONG-NOSED, old fashioned, obnoxious monster sleeping in my garage in the future, than some strange design concept that actually made it into the market at one point.

Technology works wonders for society, but sometimes history and heritage are overlooked and forgotten. When the time comes for unveiling, I pray that Nissan won't forget its powerful racing roots and make the next GT-R (or whatever they will call their future flagship grand tourer) with firm connections to its past.

[VQuick]

The block is magnesium. Nissan would never, ever, put that engine in a production car like the GT-R. I'll tell you why...

Magnesium is much too unstable for regular street use. Racing teams also use wheels made from magnesium, but have to replace them after a few races. This is because magnesium is extremely brittle. On the WRC cars that use them, the wheels start to crack after only a few thousand miles. That's why Volk racing's wheels are so popular. Since they are made of forged aluminum, they are about as close as you can get to the light weight and strength of magnesium, without the durability hassles. That's why Volk can charge $300 for a 15" wheel.lol

Nissan probably couldn't afford to make that many blocks for a serious production run, and the owners would hate having an engine block that would start to crack after only a few months of hard driving. That's why racing teams use them. They only have one or two cars, and they can afford to get replacement engines.

Oh, and there's one more thing about magnesium: It's very
flammable, and can explode.

Hey Morpheus: The next M3 should be a beast with a V8. I wonder how much power it would have. The torque will be much higher, for sure. And it kinda needs it now, since even the Lancer Evo VII has more torque than the E46 M3.

[Morpheus XIII]

I remember burning magnesium strips in various chemistry labs and obtaining that brilliant white fire.

The thing about the R390GT1:
They were sold in various parts of the world for street use (but Nismo was very adamant to their customers that they should spend most of the mileage on the track). So what are the owners to do once their block starts to warp or crack from the heavy running? It's not like the average racer has a company backed team to make repairs and replacements. 1,000,000 U.S. dollars not well spent, no?

Pure magnesium itself is fairly weak. But just like all other metallic elements, the alloy forms are much much stronger. Steel is an alloy, just like the aluminum variant used so widely in motorsports. The more you mix, the harder the metal. I'm sure the mag blocks of the VRH35L are stronger than we think. After all, the 24 heures du mans IS an endurance race.

Any companies care to make a titanium alloy block? That would literally be jewelry for your car.

Volk Racing does make magnesium alloy wheels. They even have a forged mag TE37 version.

[VQuick]

[quote]Originally posted by morpheusxiii
So what are the owners to do once their block starts to warp or crack from the heavy running? It's not like the average racer has a company backed team to make repairs and replacements. 1,000,000 U.S. dollars not well spent, no?

And even if that technology trickled down to the GT-R, it wouldn't be $40-50k well spent either.hehe

Any companies care to make a titanium alloy block? That would literally be jewelry for your car.
Yep, that's why the Vette Z06 costs so much, with it's titanium wheels and exhaust.

[200sx]

al this talk about engines, my only question is, are any of this engines able to go all the way to 1,300+ horse power? i know that the rb26DETT is