Civic or Camaro?

[eckoman_pdx]

OKay, one thing to say for the Camero guy. If a Civic with 20K into the motor, it will be fully built. Fully built up, closed deck, new pistions, I mean, EVERYTHING will be redo, and then there's the turbo kit. It will be a propely balanced set-up, and the motor will have been strengthend to handle it. Now I fully realize, the car at that power may not be the most streetable car. But that motor won't just "blow up." Granted, it won't last as long as a stock motor. But you shove a 400HP build 20L motor/turbo into a 2100lbs hatchback. The damn thing will haul ass in a striaght line. That's an insane power/weight ratio there, 5.25:1. And the car is still lightweight, and it will corner great with the suspeinsion set-up put in it. That car would smoke most cars. Now, I know this is NOT most civics, but realize they are out there. I have seen a few before, though none around here. It's all about what do you want. The person in the car above obivously is will to sacrifice something to get the performance he needs. He wants a light-weight car that corners and hauls ass. ANd thats what was built. Not streetable as a daily driver, for sure. But that car would kick the shit out of lots of cars. And a reason why you hav't seen a civic that can take your camero is simple...you live in Cali, right? Most of those are ricers. They care not about true performace, but hitting a trend and looking cool. Like the guy dating the girl across the street. Ricer. Cut off his muffler put on a tip to get that "sound." Lowered it, wheels, some body work. Looks decent, he thinks it sounds fast...sounds like crap. Well, the minivan down the street could take that weak ass thing. But don't confuse that with an enthusiest with a properly built up civic (or any car). A built civic can haul ass, and corner too.

[chris26969]

im confused on the speel. What you just stated can be done by any car. ......

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by chris26969

im confused on the speel. What you just stated can be done by any car. ......

The point was he was saying that a civic with a built engine will blow up. And he implied they are slow. Look...a 400hp civic is NOT SLOW. And at 2100lbs, it will fly. It can handle to boot. I am not crazy jackass, I am sick of assholes coming in here and acting like we are all rice. Look, it built right, a civic kill....period. When built right by someone in the know, they haul ass and the motor WON'T blow itself up. That was my point.

[chris26969]

calm down kid. I never said anything about rice. I own a civic also. Im just saying that theres tons of people in here that wont buy domestic.. thats fine.. its your crappy excuses and your site towards a brand of car. if you take reliability out. The camaro is going to hand most cars asses to em stock for stock. Hell I dont even own a domestic car but i have ever bit of respect for em for what they can and cant do.

[big_sam_2004]

Originally Posted by chris26969

The camaro is going to hand most cars asses to em stock for stock.

My point exactly! stock for stock the camaro will give it the business. i said nothing about a fully modded civic being slow, i just said it wouldnt be as fast as the camaro fuly modded (straight line) in cornering, the civics would have the upper hand, but those cars just arent my preference for racing, im 6'5 and need space without removing the back seat, nothing against a civic. and i dont only have it for a racing car, i drive my camaro every day, i dont think i would want to drive a $35000 civic around everywhere because as you said, you drop20 g's in it and its basically a race car, and i dont know how much a race car will help you in a san francisco traffic jam (well neither will an SS trim camaro but you can see why i said that right?). from what the origional poster said, i take it he drives this car around daily, because he wrecked it driving down the street. i dont think he wants a race car either, he said nothing about that, or about building a super civic, so I say if he wants more power compared to what he has now (assuming its not significantly modded) he should get the camaro.

[edman24]

i think someone asked what i have to beat 95% of the cars around here? well basically a rebuilt motor(1.8L 8v) with race ported head, turbo cams, and a lysholm supercharger. you wouldnt know that because its for vw's but im boosting 20psi right now and have yet to lose a race. this motor is no where near being fully built and can produce a lot more power. i dont especially like drag racing and to be honest the car is faster on the freeway because i get no traction what so ever in first and second. im talking staying where you are burnout in first and second. i like the twisties and thats what this car is for. but bring along any mildly modified domestic and ill teach them a thing or two.

yes domestics may have more power potential, but what will win on a road course? not a domestic i guarantee you.

[chris26969]

what are you running for times? also hp? Id be wary of the 95 percent comment when you have GSXs with 16gs in them and mustang cobras going through your town . Not mention people turbo charging their S2000s. That 95 percent is very ballsy and no where nears a solid statement. Theres plenty of z28s that put out 12-13 second 1/4 mile times with little mods. in comparison to an average import. I never believe anyone that says you can beat 95 percent of people. Maybe on your street , or in your small city. But when you start making this statement wide known, you got some bullshit crying out the ears..lol.

[edman24]

Originally Posted by chris26969

what are you running for times? also hp? Id be wary of the 95 percent comment when you have GSXs with 16gs in them and mustang cobras going through your town . Not mention people turbo charging their S2000s. That 95 percent is very ballsy and no where nears a solid statement. Theres plenty of z28s that put out 12-13 second 1/4 mile times with little mods. in comparison to an average import. I never believe anyone that says you can beat 95 percent of people. Maybe on your street , or in your small city. But when you start making this statement wide known, you got some bullshit crying out the ears..lol.

honestly how many 12-13second cars do you think there are around here? not just here but anywhere? maybe 5-10%of the people willing to race can get those times no matter what people tell you. ive never dynoed or run my car at the track and i dont plan on it anytime soon. but i will tell you i destroyed my friends hatchback that ran a 14.9 at palmdale which is about 14.2 anywhere else. that mean anything to you?

seriously those cars you named could take me but there arent many at all. and those are times assuming they are good drivers. street racing is 80% driver i think and many will agree.

[chris26969]

this post is getting off topic and into the. Ive never raced but i can beat everyone mentality. Bullshit meter going off the charts now.

[Ricochet]

I'm naked under my clothes.

[Miataracer]

I have a face drawn on my desk lamp...

[eckoman_pdx]

chris26969, and big_sam_2004, I was under the imperrsion from your previous posts that you were saying ALL civics were slow "rice" and couldn't do shit. Sorry I misinterpurted. I get sick of all the people who fail to realize a properly built civic and haul ass in a straight line and kill in the twisties. All I was saying, since I thought you meant all civics where slow, is that a built civic is not slow. I get all sorts of mustang driving teenage punks around here that assume all civics are slow, and I get sick of it. I am 24, and pay for my own car. I get sick of the ignorence, "it's not 5.0, it's slow," you know? That being said, yes, a stock civic will be slaughtered by a Camero, no contest. I was refering to a properly built civic, and saying even if the modded camero took it on a strip, it would own the road course. I realize the Camero will own it stock for stock. Yes, this has gotten off topic. I think we all can agree on the above statement. Sorry if I came across as some punk kid. I am not a punk nor a kid, lol.

[edman24]

Originally Posted by chris26969

this post is getting off topic and into the. Ive never raced but i can beat everyone mentality. Bullshit meter going off the charts now.

i have nothing left to prove to you. you are totally ignorant and do not listen to reason. go have fun with your wannabe fast eclipse. im sure those 17's really add to your performance huh? how about them indiglo guages? wow you must be super fast cause your car makes a psshhh noise.

not that you ever said your car was fast but if you dont have speed to back up your big mouth then youre the one spitting the bullshit around here. when you actually know what youre talking about come back and tell me how right i really am.

[chris26969]

previous : civics = slow.. Nope. I am all for the Swapped engines and Built CivicSis its a good hobby and car to have.


response to : edman24.

Look to ones self before you look to others.

My 17s came stock on my car. And the pssh.. Since you dont seem to educated that would be the BOV recircuilating. As it is stock on my car. So if your making fun of my car for doing what its supposed to do? then go for it. Your just ignorant in the end. Your the one who said you can beat 95% of cars.

Like I said, someone who boasts is pathetic. And immediately my bullshit meter goes off the charts, and you just keep giving me reasons for me to never believe you.

[smokeurass]

I didnt really read your post, this is about the camaro....

OK. AH....camaro, an american car,chevy......... People need to realize, this is a piece of shit. Its slow, you can make a civic run faster times than this thing. Sure you can have a camaro runnin' 11's or w/e, but there is the reliablilty factor, UGH! Same with the fuckin ford mustang. Its not FAST! THEY'RE SHIT! I never see fast camaro's or stangs at tracks or street races, they either get owned or race some other shits, always in high 12's, no one wants em! After buying one, you'll realize what a big mistake you made, and then you'll realize how much money you lost after trying to sell it. NO ONE WANTS THEM.

My cousin, was waking up at 2 in the morning to go to the dealer and look at this peice of shit. HE COULD'NT SLEEP, OVER THIS CAR?? A month later, 25k spent, oh, he don't want it no more. 5 years later its sitting in the garage collecting dust. He can't sell the shit, no one wants it.

You every seen those video's of turbo minivans beating mustangs, camaro's and some others. My point is, people buy em, and think there fast, look at these guys with the vans, 12.65. PHUCK THE CAMARO, PHUCK MUSTANG'S, PHUCK VETTE'S AND VIPERS, KNOW THAT!

Take a look at Paul Smith's 1989 Dodge Caravan. http://www.streetracing.org/cars/profiles/paulsmith/

Or type turbo minivan on google.com

Just saying, anything can be fast, you gotta put work to it, why buy american shits, especially for so much (vipers,vettes).

....out