To all who love their Honda, read this. Let's get some real discussion.

[crx hf]

Maybe becouse they want a new car and are tired of driving an old honda

[crx hf]

I know i never get tired of driving my car

[<[4gen91CvcLX]>]

i know i haven't commented on this yet...but just thought'd i would say that honda's are great...great gas mileage, and performance...there like the universal car....u can do anything you want to any part of the car...swaps/mod's...you want it....you can pretty much have it....even though honda's styling of new cars isn't that great, you have to love em...because they got that big "H" on the front end...i love our body style cars...but i love 5th generation civics as well...old school all the way....i think honda should make all the cars all over the world....some cars that didn't work in Europe could kick ass here, and cars that dont work here could kick ass there...ya know...they should make a complete line up of cars...including a light pickup truck ...even though there a sport compact based company...they still kick ass with the best of em'! i think honda's generally get a bad rap from all the little rich kids that screw em up...and rice em up..and think they have something..and do stupid stuff in em...that's why the cops bust so many of em..but anyway...overall...honda's just as great as any Ford/Chevy, american, european, German car out there...if not better....

[XxLuckyLisaxX]

Originally posted by chopstick1981
I think everyone here fails to see the great advantage hondas have. Off the top of my head i could think of at least 10 motors that could swap into my civic. Only rich fools buy a brand new sports car, that really doesn't even go fast, because a TRUELY fast car isn't goin to be produced, its goin to be built by individuals, maybe honda realizes this and instead of selling slow sports car for a HUGE price (ex. rsx), they instead build a great platform that can be improved upon. who the hell would spend 25k on a new rsx, when instead you could buy an integra, swap in a built motor and have TWICE the power for much less than half the cost of a RSX. Even if you paid a mechanic to put a new motor in it would still come out to significantly less.

who the hell would spend 25k on a new car? probably 90%of the population, normal people, versus car enthusiasts, were nothing in numbers, there are still tons and tons and tons of people that will never learn to work on a motor never will want to swap a motor but want a fast car they buy the the rsx's and dont give two shits about swapping a motor and dont want to. Yes honda is known for fual effecientcy and reliability but they should keep up with the demand, demand being they need to put out a awd sports car

[Melt]

Originally posted by chopstick1981
I think everyone here fails to see the great advantage hondas have. Off the top of my head i could think of at least 10 motors that could swap into my civic. Only rich fools buy a brand new sports car, that really doesn't even go fast, because a TRUELY fast car isn't goin to be produced, its goin to be built by individuals, maybe honda realizes this and instead of selling slow sports car for a HUGE price (ex. rsx), they instead build a great platform that can be improved upon. who the hell would spend 25k on a new rsx, when instead you could buy an integra, swap in a built motor and have TWICE the power for much less than half the cost of a RSX. Even if you paid a mechanic to put a new motor in it would still come out to significantly less.

i think you fail to see our point about all the NEW cars honda is producing ... swapping an RSX engine into a 7th gen civic costs like 6k alone JUST FOR THE ENGINE ... with everything its about $8500, then you still gotta deal with swapping it in if you arent a do it yourselfer

sure with the older hondas we are still fine ... but shit what abot the future, what are we gonna do then, some of us might be drivin 4th gens forever, but eventually it will be more of a pain in the ass to fix all the old shit on it than its worth, and we will go to newer cars.

[chopstick1981]

even if honda did make a faster car, would it really be fast? Whats the point in giving up gas mileage if you aint really goin that fast? The only car I've seen worthy of a big motor are the new vipers running under 12 sec. stock otherwise why give up gas mileage, have a car that is still slow, and pay a butt-load of money for it.

[SIIKprice]

Originally posted by DarkImportGrey
As you compare Honda with other manufacturers today, you'll notice that Honda has large gaps in its product line. Namely, a 5 door compact car, a Mitsubishi Evo type car, and a convertible.

what in the hell are you talking about? the S2000 is a freaking convertable... hmmm. i would also consider and S2000 decent when compared with an Evo. you're a freaking idiot for even thinking that honda is in trouble, sure they need a light pickup and a compact 5 dr. thingimabooble, but the pickup truck just isnt honda's thing, that takes torque, and if you havent noticed, they just dont have much of that. honda's are high rpm, excellent handling, reliable machines. i have a 16 year old riding lawnmower that outdoes the new ones... how sick is that? besides, all car companies have their ups and downs, and i would say honda is in the middle of the upstroke, give it a few years, and the honda people will figure out what their doing wrong and correct it. as for until then, ill be loyal to honda till i die.

[Jay!]

I think this article fits into this discussion very well:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...threadid=54620

Also, when the NSX debuted in 1990, it was a Ferrari killer. Now it's 13 years old and very obviously due for a major model change...

[MyFirst4G]

1st of all, i would like to acknowlege (sp?) the person who started this thread, probably the best thread i've seen on this forum in MONTHS, yes, thats right, MONTHS!!!! way too much O/T..... Well, anyways.....

2nd, i think Honda is doing a poor job with their newer cars, and right now, turbocharged cars are coming out by a lot of companies, even DODGE!!! with the Neon SRT-4, which is a pretty sick ass car even though i hate NEONS!!!! right now, i am a little disapointed in Honda... while the civics were bieng made, Mitsubishi/Chrysler made Dimond Star Motors and the DSM's especially the Turbo ones kicked ass!! like the Exlipse GSX was AWD, and put out 210 HP....... thats pretty insane for the 90's...... and was relitavly cheap, it wasnt a real sports car, they had the 3000GT's/Stealth's for that..... now i'm not saying i'd buy a DSM over a Honda, because i am a huge HONDA enthusiest, but down the road, after i build my 4g and keep it forever, i'd probably be looking into OTHER cars cause right now, Honda just ain't cuttin it and it disapoints me, but i still have faith because i love honda.......

[LS-EF&93-EG]

I cant belive people are comparing the evo to the s2000. Thats crazy the evo's are running 12.8 with minor mods

If you want a fast honda, its going to have to be a hybrid. Honda doesn't make stock fast cars. They make realiable cars

Instead of spending 30k on a s2000 or mid 20's on a rsx both are slow if you ask me spend that money on a hacth then you can say you have a fast honda.

I would take my b20/vtec eg hacth over a s2000 or rsx anyday

[DarkImportGrey]

I started the thread.

And let me rephrase, a convertible available to people on a Civic/Accord budget (between 13 and 20 grand).

And SIIK, your point was made SO much better by resorting to third grade name calling... really makes me take your point to heart. Grow up.

The S2000 is meant to compete with the BMW Z3 and Mazda Miata. That's it. The 30,000 dollar mid-life crisis car.

[riceriderjade]

o god how i hate new hondas.
there has become such a lack of variety, personally there are a few things i would like to see.
no more civics. kill the damm things already. i love my civic crx with all my heart but the new ones have comletely lost their appeal to me, they had one of the best runs in car history but all good things must come to an end. I think the Accord has a great future with family sedans and things like that. the Pilot should be dominating the suv market as well. the s2000 never seemed to be that big a deal, and if people weren't buying preludes, why keep making them
this is all my humble opinoin but i have a few ideas i would really like to see from honda, even tho none of them are my actual ideas
1st
i remember a little while back all the bringing back the crx bullshit fake articles. bring the crx back! how many people would flock to these things. i would take out a loan and buy one right now, regardless of anything. a 2004-2005 crx, jesus, so long as they made them look as good as they did in the 88-91 the market would gobble them up. small, efficient, fast, sporty and not overly expensive. thats where its at.
2nd
kill the civic, as i mentioned earlier.
3rd
trucks, personally, i like my trucks and without expanding to cover the entire market for vehicles, how can they expect to compete with the american companies that put out sweet truck after sweet truck.
4th
change the s2000 to something that can compete with the 350z, cause god damm they are sweet cars.
5th
they need a good nice looking hatchback, if not the crx, drop that stupid ugly civic hatch they got running now, put out something like a v6 accord hatch that looks something like the 5th gens only with a small v6, something like the v6 mazda mx3.

thats just some of my thoughts, for all i know honda could do everything i say and end up bankrupt. but these are a few things i would really like to see.

[crxlvr]

i agree, great thread, although i must point out some things, Honda is in developmental stages of a pickup truck, and a V8 to power it by around 2005 or so, so dont worry about that.

i always wondered why honda never produced a convertible car with a 2dr accord or prelude style, i think it would have sold great. but people dont buy hondas for speed and power maybe 1% of honda's buying public do, but most buy it cuz its reliable, cheap, and attractive.

Honda does need to start competing more with the Big 3 makers and the asain players as well, they need soemthing to compete with the SRT-4, the SVT Focus, and even the sentra V-spec. they need to get into the pickup game as well, and definatly back into the sports car game, even if they took a nice 750hp indy motor and dropped it into a nsx, everyone will be happy.

[DarkImportGrey]

I agree crxlvr. The new Si falls short in every category when comparing it to the other 20,000 dollar hotrods (Spec V, SVT Focus, Mazdaspeed Protege, etc), and the only REAL reason a lot of people buy the Si is "because it is a Honda" and the gas mileage, and frankly, the quality of manufacturing for EVERY brand is getting A LOT better, and pretty soon, that "because it is a Honda" appeal won't really have its appeal anymore.

[FourthGenHatch]

Originally posted by chopstick1981
I think everyone here fails to see the great advantage hondas have. Off the top of my head i could think of at least 10 motors that could swap into my civic. Only rich fools buy a brand new sports car, that really doesn't even go fast, because a TRUELY fast car isn't goin to be produced, its goin to be built by individuals, maybe honda realizes this and instead of selling slow sports car for a HUGE price (ex. rsx), they instead build a great platform that can be improved upon. who the hell would spend 25k on a new rsx, when instead you could buy an integra, swap in a built motor and have TWICE the power for much less than half the cost of a RSX. Even if you paid a mechanic to put a new motor in it would still come out to significantly less.

The main reason Honda engines can be swapped so easily is because its cheaper to have many cars share the same parts than it is to have their own unique parts. Its not because Honda wants you do swap engines into your car.