japanese vs. domestic

[bluevette74]

drift: well duh, of course no stock camaro can run in the 9's stock, just like no stock supra can run in the 9's. How much does a supra cost, im guessing around $40,000. A new vette c5 cost about the same and if your saying 1000 in mods the vette will win. Moe182: hell yeah its impressive to get 1039 hp out of a 3.0l, but a 500ci 8.0l funny cars can get up to 6-7000hp, tell me whats more impressive! so the supra is pushing about 350hp per liter, the big block american made engine is pushing 812 hp per liter.

[hakka]

Originally posted by F20C
hakka I must be the odd breed since I win races without torque :sun:.

just saying that generally, a car with more torque but less hp will win a race, as long as they weigh about the same

[Revhard]

There are many issues that concern this broad question. One of which is safety. Japanese steel is probably the weakest type of steel I have ever seen. The Jap cars get very low ratings on crash tests while American steel can withstand hits and not leave your pockets flipped inside out. Another issue that many people talk about is the performance that it outputs straight out of the box. A stock Camaro ZL1 is an 8.4-liter aluminum-block pushrod V8 making a foot-stomping 770 horsepower at 6900 rpm and a raucous 683 lb.-ft of torque at 5200 rpm. Transfer of power comes via a five-speed manual transmission and a three-disc hydraulic clutch setup. Althoug it is a concept, the potential is still there. Imagine if this ZL1 was TT and had a NOS, then what would you say? My final argument is getting the most for your dollar. A Skyline for example is not sold in the US yet, it has to be imported via Motorex or whatever and you have to pay a ton of tariffs and the sticker price for it while an American car is much cheaper and takes less hassle to purchase. If your Skyline gets hit or something, do you think you will be able to find the parts for a decent price and not have to wait weeks for them to come in from out of the country?

[hakka]

Originally posted by bluevette74
drift: well duh, of course no stock camaro can run in the 9's stock, just like no stock supra can run in the 9's. How much does a supra cost, im guessing around $40,000. A new vette c5 cost about the same and if your saying 1000 in mods the vette will win. Moe182: hell yeah its impressive to get 1039 hp out of a 3.0l, but a 500ci 8.0l funny cars can get up to 6-7000hp, tell me whats more impressive! so the supra is pushing about 350hp per liter, the big block american made engine is pushing 812 hp per liter.

I think he means stock internals with modifications, not factory stock. by the way, drift, I've seen stock block LS1s run 9s before...they have aluminum blocks and heads, forged connecting rods, with a cast iron crank...a pretty strong combination.

[hakka]

something posted in another thread:

Originally posted by LiuBei
What do you want me to prove, eh? That an NSX is far superior to that Vette you have? Hell that is just a Chevrolet, a typical american wannabe. Here is a simple equation: Take the number of miles that POS has on it when it falls apart {you're lucky if you get to 100k} multiply it by 7 and that is how many miles any NSX can have and still smoke yo mofro A55, BOOYA

You're first mistake would be taking me too seriously, HOOAH

not taking you too seriously, but my '79 has 120,000 miles on it and steadily climbing. I guarantee you it is quicker than the NSX, up to 100 at least....since it is a 70s sports car, it wont be able to handle quite as well, and due to the lower gearing, won't take it in the top speed. My ZR-1 would beat it in whatever contest you could think up, even fuel economy and reliability. It only has 20K on the clock, but my friends ZR-1 with 105K on it would smoke the NSX as well......

[moe182]

Naw, i doubt that.....ive seen an NSX goin' @ the race track and it doesnt really seem like a threat with a 3 litre 6 cyl crankin 290bhp.....but those things are MADE for the race track, they're not really for 0-60 or the 1/4 mile.....but thats not really racing anyways.

[LiuBei]

How many American brands do you see on this chart?

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[LiuBei]

Hey hakka, I concur that a ZR-1 would probably beat most NSX's. Regardless I know people that have owned ZR1's and they fall apart around 50k. I'm not tring to dis you or your car. There is just the simple fact that Japanese cars have superior build quality and last longer with fewer problems. AMEN

[YogsVR4]

I can only see a red X - I know just as many people who've owned Japanese cars (me included) who fall apart after 49.99K miles so your comparison method is meaningless. Japanese cars are not better then an American built car. Its like people who still cling to the theory that the earth is flat. They just cant believe that its not true.

[LiuBei]

Why do you own 3 Japanese cars then? GO TO jdpa.com, that is the JD Power site. Go under automotive and find how many awards Honda/Acura and Toyota/Lexus have won for Reliability, quality, durability, and lonlivety. It is a damn proven fact that Japanese cars have higher quality build ratings than others. Besides Honda and Toyota are really the only two Japanese brands I care about. I like some Nissan/Infiniti models but would probably never buy any.

[hakka]

Originally posted by LiuBei
Hey hakka, I concur that a ZR-1 would probably beat most NSX's. Regardless I know people that have owned ZR1's and they fall apart around 50k. I'm not tring to dis you or your car. There is just the simple fact that Japanese cars have superior build quality and last longer with fewer problems. AMEN

really? I haven't heard of any problems, except for bad oil lines, on ZR1s. When developing the LT5 engine, Lotus engineers dynoed it and ran it alternating between peak horsepower and torque for a week straight, without any problems. I realize your not trying to dis my car or anything, Im just giving the facts

[LiuBei]

Well I know 2 guys who had ZR1's. 1 90 and 1 95. I would imagine they had problems because of "excessive usage." If you know what I mean. Maybee hard running or lemons, I'm not the one to judge.

[YogsVR4]

Hmmmm. Said I wont own a Toyota, I didnt say that I wouldn't own a Japanese car. I also quoted that real world experience has shown the Japanese manufactured cars to be as much of a hassle an American one. J.D. Power and Associates. Sure I trust their judgements. Heck who cant believe a for profit organization could possibly be infulenced by PACs and lobbiest. Do you also know that the ratings they use are only on the cars brought to American shores? They dont include larger samplings from Japan or Europe? Until they can provide equivilent sampling, their conclusions are suspect even beyond being a for profit organization.

Disclaimer: I have nothing against a for profit organization. I just dont inherintly trust their publications. Its like reading the DMCs accounts of the GOP and believing it without question.

[bluevette74]

Air Force, what a joke! :silly2:

[LiuBei]

Air Force a joke? What the fuck are you talking about, "hood technician"? Please tell me that you are going to dis the USAF, or say I'm joining the Army or Marine Corp to be a real man. C'Mon why did you say that?