why imports shouldnt be looked down upon

[Cbass]

Sorry Josh, but those are pony cars... the muscle cars are gone, but not forgotten...

As long as there are real men who want to drive real cars, there will always be iron.

[-Josh-]

True that CBass, true that. I miss the cars of old

[Cbass]

Yeah, I think we all do...

But hey, we have all sorts of stuff we can use in old musclecars, like EFI big block strokers!

[76_cobra]

Everyone thinks old muscle cars are faster than new ones that isn't always true the 1965-70 mustang hi-po engines were 15 second cars (the boss was the exception ) 71-78 they were 16.5-17 second cars same with the camaros, firebirds, chargers, and challengers the kids back then had to modify their cars just like we do today. The 1/4 mile times for the mustang have stayed consistent in the 15 second range however the firebird and camaro are now low 14 second cars and with few mods they are 13 second cars. The newer muscle cars also get better gas mileage for the same or more power. I like the looks of older muscle cars that's why I have one, but I also love newer muscle.

[MadZ]

ummm, the newer camaros are 13 sec. cars stock (ls-1's anyways) With a few mods they are capable of low 13's , high 12's

You also have to remember that tire technology sucked donkey balls back in the muscle car days. Take one of those carbed big block cars and give it some real traction and you'll be in the 13's pretty easily.

[DeViL]

Weight didn't exactly help either, but its not like that couldn't be reduced.

[-Josh-]

Don't forget about traction bars to keep the car from hopping

[76_cobra]

My point was that STOCK, not gutted for weight or with better tires or traction bars or whatever, the older muscle cars weren't as fast as the newer muscle cars are today when they are stock off the lot. I'm not saying anything bad just that everyone always says how great those cars were and how today's cars don't compare, I know that they do compare and they surpass the older cars. Newer mustangs are WAY more geared toward performance than the original 65's were the suspension, brakes, handling, are far superior and more performance oriented than the older mustangs were, same with the newer camaros, firebirds, and corvettes, and MadZ it wasn't just tire technology that held those cars back most were 14.5-15 sec cars stock even with slicks they would have had a hard time getting 13's my sister's 66 hi-po mustang runs 15.2 with a 4-speed my dad's 68 camaro ran 14.8 his automatic 69 camaro was even slower, and like you said STOCK an ls1 can do 13's I read an article in 5.0 and super Ford magazine and they drag tested a brand new STOCK 02 GT mustang and their best ET was 14.2 why does everyone say that muscle is gone.

[LjasonL]

haha i remember reading a test a long time ago in motor trend or some magazine like that and they were trying to see how far weve come with technology, so they listed the 1/4 times for a bunch of 60's muscle cars, and listed the time for a stock 2001 honda oddesey minivan, and the van beat all of the musclecars except the vette, which was only like 2 tenths faster. and all the musclecars were rated at like 300-350hp, the oddesey was 140 or something like that. :hehehe:



i wanna build about a 69 camaro as a track and auto-x car instead of a drag car, and call it project "hey those arent supposed to do that!"

[-Josh-]

Still, the 60's was when driving was driving, racers were racers, and drivers were drivers. Nowadays the car pretty much does everything for you.

[DeViL]

Your right most of the Camaros and Mustangs back then weren't all that great. The old Stingray 427 would give the new Z06 a run for its money, the Shelby Cobra would most definately give even the new Viper a fit at a drag strip.

Most 60's cars were heavy, even though they were like compact cars.
Redneck, what exactly did you do to your Nova to make it 3,000 pounds? Or did you do anything? I wouldn't know, don't know very much about the Nova.

[Cbass]

Smallblock Novas are really light, like 3100 lbs with gas... With aluminum heads and intake manifold, also if that cowl hood is glass, you have a really lightweight package.

I'd pick a Nova over a Chevelle for dragging, the Nova is signifigantly lighter...

Same reason I'd pick a Chrysler A body over a Charger or Barracuda, just because it's 300lbs lighter.