3kgt or stealth

[talskinyguy]

Originally Posted by vectorspecialist

mitsu found better ways oif making the car turn then using 4ws, that and it's something that's really just there to show mitsu can play with porsche's and lambo in terms of handling.
aws wasnt something that was an answer for something no1 ever asked. which has still got me as to y the gtr is still using it. it'll b the only sports car with it that i know of.
aws phased out in late 94, b4 producing the 95 model yr for the stealth. i own a stealth, i've never really looked at a 3000gt b4 nor have i looked up nething aobut it, other than the things that r the same.
o and y r the stealth's cheaper than a comparitive 3kgt?
i've never gotten it, anyone looking for one knows mitsu built the car, so it's not like dodge reliability.

AWS being phased out had nothing to do with coming up with other ways to make it handle, it was purely a price thing. They made AWS and non-AWS cars 91-99

[ZRYDERVR4]

Originally Posted by vectorspecialist

y r the stealth's cheaper than a comparitive 3kgt?
i've never gotten it, anyone looking for one knows mitsu built the car, so it's not like dodge reliability.

i'm guessing it has to do with the fact that mitsu had to pay import taxes to sell the 3000s and dodge didn't so 3000s cost more then stealths did when they were being sold new. so now people want more of the money back when they sell there cars and since 3000s cost more they want more.

thats what i think but dreamspawn made a good point to..


and it could be the fact that stealths are no where as know as 3000s. i ask people if the like stealths and they are like whats a stealth, so i ask about 3000s and most of the time they say no (because there to heavy but they like supras ), but this shows they are more popular than stealths and that can be why

[vectorspecialist]

well if the 3kgt is more well known, and i think more of them were produced, wouldnt that help the value of the stealth. and i never knew that there was no import tax on the stealth, they were built in japan on the same line as the 3kgt.
what dreamspawn said does make a lot of sense.
as for the aws being phased out due to better handling idea's, it's 100% true, i read somewhere that it was the second biggest reason behind getting rid of it, the other, it's not really something people look for. when i bought my stealth and found out that it had aws, i said, o cool, it doesnt do nething for me, nothing more than my friends sl can take, or my friends prelude. they can all take corners and change lanes just as well as the next.

[ZRYDERVR4]

Originally Posted by vectorspecialist

well if the 3kgt is more well known, and i think more of them were produced, wouldnt that help the value of the stealth. and i never knew that there was no import tax on the stealth, they were built in japan on the same line as the 3kgt.
what dreamspawn said does make a lot of sense.
as for the aws being phased out due to better handling idea's, it's 100% true, i read somewhere that it was the second biggest reason behind getting rid of it, the other, it's not really something people look for. when i bought my stealth and found out that it had aws, i said, o cool, it doesnt do nething for me, nothing more than my friends sl can take, or my friends prelude. they can all take corners and change lanes just as well as the next.

oh well i don't know much on where the stealths were being made so i figured they were made in america because of the dodge name. well even if it was made in japan if over half of the parts that they used were american then it would be considered an american car so they wouldn't have to pay import tax. well actually i'm not sure soo i will look in to that now haha.

[Stealthee]

Originally Posted by vectorspecialist

well if the 3kgt is more well known, and i think more of them were produced, wouldnt that help the value of the stealth. and i never knew that there was no import tax on the stealth, they were built in japan on the same line as the 3kgt.
what dreamspawn said does make a lot of sense.
as for the aws being phased out due to better handling idea's, it's 100% true, i read somewhere that it was the second biggest reason behind getting rid of it, the other, it's not really something people look for. when i bought my stealth and found out that it had aws, i said, o cool, it doesnt do nething for me, nothing more than my friends sl can take, or my friends prelude. they can all take corners and change lanes just as well as the next.

It was never phases out completely so you are wrong. The ONLY TT 3s's not to have it were 95 and 96 RT/TT's. And I guarantee the reason behind Dodge gettign rid of it was for nothing more than to save money. I also guarantee lane changes are alot quicker in a VR4 than a TT without AWS. Have you ever watched a AWS car make a lane change? Its like a friggin slot car.

Originally Posted by ZRYDERVR4

oh well i don't know much on where the stealths were being made so i figured they were made in america because of the dodge name. well even if it was made in japan if over half of the parts that they used were american then it would be considered an american car so they wouldn't have to pay import tax. well actually i'm not sure soo i will look in to that now haha.

Stealths are much more Mitsubishi than they ever will be Dodge. All Dodge did was slap some om there own body cladding on it. Everything else is Mitsubishi thru and thru. Both cars were built in Nagoya Japan. 99% of the parts on the Stealth have Mitsubishi part numbers.

And yes the Stealths are more rare than the 3000gts.

[Dreamspawn]

I didn't know they were more rare kewlz but like i said the main cost differnce is the name tag. Its like toyota and lexus. The is300 is a toyota overseas now with a toyota badge here do you think they could sell as many for the same price no. Ifiniti and Nissian same thing could go and go with things like this.

[Stealthee]

Well thats actually different. Lexus is the luxury brand of Toyota, as Infiniti is the luxury brand of Nissan. But yes the name alone is part of the price difference.

[Linebckr49]

Originally Posted by Stealthee

Both cars were built in Nagoya Japan. 99% of the parts on the Stealth have Mitsubishi part numbers.

funny you should mention that, having gone over several mitsu engines with a fine toothed comb recently, i noticed a few NON-mitsu names. on the FIAV under the throttle body is stamped the name "Mikuni Corporation," and there's another funky name i can't recall stamped on the back of the power steering pump. and most pulleys are made by Koyo. so that's the 1% of the car that's not mitsubishi. props to mitsu for making everything themselves, and making it well (for the most part...Getrash <cough, cough>).

[Stealthee]

LOL. Well Mitsu didnt build that tranny. That was Getrag. The damn Germans got it right for Supras and some other car co's. I guess the FWD based is what screwed them.

[Dreamspawn]

What i was trying to say though is alot of those companies have cars that are the same with differnt bodys badges and sell them differnt prices. Like the G35 and 350z Essentially the same, the is350 and think the jap name is altezza.

[ZRYDERVR4]

Originally Posted by Dreamspawn

What i was trying to say though is alot of those companies have cars that are the same with differnt bodys badges and sell them differnt prices. Like the G35 and 350z Essentially the same, the is350 and think the jap name is altezza.

yeah ur correct with IS and thats what i hread. like the reason they created lexus, acura, and infinity is to compete with the other lux manufactures like BMW, etc..... and like you said who would spend 45 grand on a honda or toyota but with people thinking Acura as being whole better manufacture then they would.

how would you try to out class someone in a BMW and ur in a honda but if they use acura and hyped it up to be a high end lux brand then people would spend that much money for the car.

will that just what i was told and what i think

and i know the thread is hard core OTed now haha

3Ks and stealths to this haha

[vectorspecialist]

i'm gonna have ot find the site that stated that it wasnt needed on the car, that they found better ways of making the car handle without aws. and like it was said previously, only up till 96 did the 3kgt have aws, or maybe that was active aero.
the only difference if u wanna call it one, is the body, u look at it, both have the fuax air ducts behind the doors in the first gen, just look different. the spoiler and c pillar are the biggest difference.
no i've never seen an aws car change lanes, how the hell am i supposed to to know if it has aws, it's not advertised on the fricken car. the only cars htat i know of that have aws are the 300zx, porsche 911 turbo(993), porsche 959, nissan skyline, 3/S, honda prelude early 90's, mazda mx6, mazda 626, ford probe(suposedly), those are all i can think of right now.
as for toyota and the other compaies, u have i kinda right. acura and infiniti are actaully now international brands as of 4th quater 06.
the is300 is an altezza in japan, the g35 is a skyline(hence the reason i c skylines all the time) es350 is a chaser, the lexus sc430 is something weird. acura nsx is the same just honda, and btw there were honda nsx's brought to america, the type r. the acura rsx is actually the integra to the rest of the world. and there are many many more, every car that toyota, nissan, and honda make, have equal conterparts in the "luxery brand". even mazda got in on it in the early 90's. i'm aware of the eunos spyder(the mazda miata) o and the beest one, fiat and alfa romeo.
and u shouldnt use the word jap, it a very offensive word, unlessused in a historic manor such as a jap plane in WWII.
it is the fwd that screwed up getrag. think about it, every other car from the mid 90's using a getrag trans were all rwd or rwd based awd. some other cars, the porsche 968, nissan skyline, nissan fairlady z32, supra, porsche 911 gt2, and many others.
but neways getting back on topic. i say go with the stealth for first gen, and 3kgt for 2nd and 3rd gen, yes i refer to them as 2 different gens

[Stealthee]

Originally Posted by vectorspecialist

only up till 96 did the 3kgt have aws, or maybe that was active aero.

Bingo. AA went away in 97 with the hoop spoiler. As for watching a AWS car change lanes I was referring to being in a caravan of 3s's at a meet or something.

[vectorspecialist]

no i havent really driven the car much. i had it only a month b4 it went off insurance, then it was like i sid put back on like a week ago.
i havent really done ne caravaning(if that's a word too many "a") tho i'd love to c one, to really know wat ur talking about. i feel a lil difference trying to make turns on back roads.
o i hope u can clear this up for me.
do the back wheels go the opposite direction than the front or the same? and i've also read that it doesnt go on till 40 and i've also seen 30/31, which is it?
i'm surprised i wasnt baned for going so off topic, tho in a way this discussion helps a lil with choosing which car

[Morphius289]

You've got to remember that the 99' wing is the only one that was produced to have an inverted airfoil. I'd assume it works just as well as AA.